Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1

New Thread ^ | 6/16/05 | freepers

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FR Natalee Holloway Threads...

Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts?q=1&&page=1#1

 

Aruba Info...

Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif

Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif

San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif

Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)

Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif

Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)

Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/

Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html

Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html

Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR

Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/

Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923

FR Quick Ping List (copy & paste) - active posters to the thread
Andy'smom;bonfire;brigette;kcvl;maggiefluffs;No Surrender No Retreat;Palladin;Rippersnapper;TexKat;theophilusscribe

 

[texasbluebell]

Yes, I keep thinking of the email that JvdS wrote to the 2 brothers that morning, if that was an accurate report. He said he had something to tell them, didn't he?

Did something go wrong that night with the date-rape drug? She was only supposed to pass out for a while, but maybe she went into a coma?

Maybe she's still barely conscious in some hut somewhere and they're afraid to release her now?

[pnz1]

I can't imagine she's able to get to a phone or communicate and has put her parents through all this. And I know she would be aware that everyone would be looking for her.

[Swanks]

Maybe she's still barely conscious in some hut somewhere

Yeah, but you can't just rush into that situation like a bunch of cowboys.

[pnz1]

They use "cowboy" as a derrogatory term?

[spectre]

It's BS, DJ.

If the corrupt authorities down there make enough people BELIEVE that Natalee has been abducted or ran away, the boys will walk out of jail. No body, no murder, no crime.

That's where they are going with this. I so want to be wrong..

sw

[Guenevere]

bttt

[CitizenM]

My brother works in law enforcement at a very high level in the US (FBI Level) and is involved with the goings on in the Carribean including Aruba. I agree with Vanessa that no info will come out until it is over. But he was able to tell me that what happened to NH is not what everyone thinks..

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I keep remembering that in the very early stages of this one of the two brothers made a statement (to the police?) that “something bad had happened” (to Natalee). Perhaps if what happened is not what everyone is thinking she went willingly to a farewell party to say goodbye to the island, friends, and a summer love.

Being under the influence of alcohol, maybe she fell (off a boat, down steps, off a cliff, etc.) wherever the party was held. There was some comment on here about Crowes checking a medical book website. Maybe they tried to help her, but were not successful.

Perhaps all who attended that “party” made a pact to keep quiet. Now someone is cracking and giving info. slowly. Sounds like some rich kids hanging out with sleeze for their "walk on the wild side" kinda thing.

I hope, whatever happened, there was no forced sex, no abuse. I also hope that one scenario mentioned about a “runaway bride” type situation is not true. It could be, if Natalee fell in love, did not want to leave, had “issues” about her future, etc. and just wanted to disappear. But that seems very unlikely. However who knows nowadays.

It is obvious there are a bunch of people who know what happened and I think the govt./police are keeping quiet about what is known until they get everyone rounded up and talk to all of them.

[spectre]

Wouldn't that be something, Guen? I'd even buy the book!

[theophilusscribe]

Well, if it is some international human sex-slave trade cartell, then it probably makes sense to go a little more methodically. I mean, it sounds like a big insult to me too, but maybe there is more behind it than we could possibly imagine . . . Given all of the possibilities, I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt until all the information comes to light.

[the Deejay]

I so want to be wrong..

Same here.

Every day, hubby asks me what's the latest in Aruba?

Day after day, I've told him this thing went South days ago and things aren't looking up.

Funnily enough, Bill O'Reilly said much the same last night.

[the Deejay]

I know all about "corrupt authorities"
where the Dutch are involved.

[cajungirl]

THe "something bad happened" struck me from the beginning. An accidental death, throwing up and aspirating, falling, whatever. But that phrase made me think she was dead.

[WestCoastGal]

I just wonder who they are gaining information from regarding the additional arrests and questioning. If he e-mailed the brothers and said he had something to tell them, I'm wondering if he did. Has it been reported anywhere what he did the day after she went missing?

Judge Napolitano was discussing Arubian law with John Gibson earlier saying that if she is dead, not finding a body will be difficult to prosecute in that country. Apparently it's never been done. The Mother country, the Netherlands reportedly has tried one case like that.

[Guenevere]

#745..I honestly thought the 'sold' idea was credible from the first week.

That's been my thinking, and it has only wavered when Giraldo..(cough, cough) & others were so sure she was 'done in' by the Dutch boy...Joran.

But I keep coming back to the 'sold as sex slave' thought....

..but how could anyone who needed American money/tourism be crazy enough to pull this on an American?????

Wouldn't they consider the eyes of the nation would focus on little Aruba...????

[Rippersnapper]

It is being reported that JVDS called Croes at 6:30 AM (cell phone records).

Least we know who he called now.

[spectre]

Me too.

I think the height of my outrage was when they were willing to pin the crime on the two poor decent black men, but gave the rich white kids every break they could. And still, in spite of all of this, the Black Mother says she doesn't think it was "racist".

Yeah..right.

sw

[texasbluebell]

Yes, I remember that comment too, from one of the brothers.

Here's another interesting post by "ncj" over at tripadvisor:

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posted by ncj
http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g1-o20-k175169-i9659-Off_topic_chatter.html

There is a lot of speculation over on SM that there is an insider in their forum. They said someone was quoted early on as saying that there were some high ranking people involved and there would basically be a day of reckoning. This leads me to believe this was premeditated. It would also explain why the boys are so quiet- fear. This also points to a much larger conspiracy and points more toward an organized ring than accidental death or even murder.

Please see the attached link and browse through pages 40-50.

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/viewtopic.php?t=96&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=1000

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end of ncj's post

[Pepper777]

You could be right. It's been said he does alot of gambling, which is another possible reason for selling her.

[Rippersnapper]

If joran called him ( which has been said ) at 6:30 am.......is it possible he did so for "help" ????

Does that seem late for getting help? What did he do for 5 hours?

[WestCoastGal]

From another thread...

Fox Reporter Says Natalee Story "Most Difficult" He's Covered
imdb.com ^ | 6/17/05


Posted on 06/17/2005 4:03:49 PM CDT by paudio


Fox News reporter Rick Leventhal has written on the Fox Fan Central blog that covering the Natalee Holloway story in Aruba has been "one of the most difficult, intense, and confounding stories I've covered." Leventhal scored government officials who had been leaking official word of confessions and "confirmed grave sites," then quickly retracting them after they're reported. Leventhal pointed out that CNN has been hoodwinked by officials just as he had been, pointing out that the rival network earlier this week reported that Natalee's death had been confirmed and that there had been a confession. The prime minister later announced that there had been no confession and no recovery of a body. The following day, Leventhal said, a Fox News producer received word from a spokesman for the minister of justice that Natalee was "confirmed dead." He said he went on the air with the news. "While we didn't have a second source, he was a government official and was willing to be quoted. ... Within an hour, he was on the phone, saying he'd been a victim of a 'campaign of misinformation, ' and what he told us wasn't official after all." Concluded Leventhal: "Police and officials don't talk here like they do in the States."