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Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
New Thread ^ | 6/16/05 | freepers

Posted on 06/16/2005 9:43:44 AM PDT by stlnative

FR Natalee Holloway Threads...

Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts?q=1&&page=1#1

 

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TOPICS: US: Alabama; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: anitavandersloot; aruba; corruption; croes; daterapedrug; deepak; ghb; holloway; joran; kidnapped; lacosanostra; mafia; missing; natalee; nataleeholloway; satish; sloot; tourism; travel; vandersloot
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To: kcvl

Two quotes on AOL message board site:

1) Thank you for being so positive and not blaming this all on the Arubian law enforcement. They are also now talking to three other men.

2) Faces are blocked in the pictures. Can't tell who they are. It was reported first about 3 days ago in awe mainta. No one else has talked about it then saw it again today in awe mainta. Unfortunately all they say is that they are two arubians and one colombian. I can speculate but that is it



I think that pertains to a different case. The one below.


AM ARUBA Thursday 16 June 2005
http://am.aruba.tv/
SEE ARTICLE on PAGE 6

"Early Saturday morning it was as if more
detentions took place in the Natalee
Holloway case however, this was not the
case."

"In connection with another investigation
the arrest-team of the police performed a
search at several houses in Seroe Patrichi
and Papaya. In Papaya they arrested an
individual as another suspect in the assault
on a supermarket in Cumana."

"We do not have much information on this case.
The investigation continues and three
individuals are detained of which 2 Aruba
citizens and one Columbian. Our photographer
managed to be present at the moment of the
arrest."

199 posted on 06/16/2005 5:43:14 PM PDT by theophilusscribe


241 posted on 06/17/2005 12:56:20 AM PDT by Rippersnapper
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To: PBRSTREETGANG
"...Xenu, evil head of the Galactic Confederation? Who flew people to Teegeeack (Earth) 75-million years ago in space ships, chained them to volcanos and blew them up with hydrogen bombs, releasing exploded "thetans" that are now the source of most human suffering?"

Can I get reparations for this?

242 posted on 06/17/2005 4:27:34 AM PDT by Hatteras
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To: Rippersnapper
This was an intelligent 18 year old.

I've known some highly intelligent people who had absolutely zero common sense or "street sense".

Not saying that is the case here, it's just that you can't always infer intelligence in all situations from GPA alone.

243 posted on 06/17/2005 4:32:24 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: Hatteras
Can I get reparations for this?

Talk to Tom Cruise, I guess.

244 posted on 06/17/2005 4:33:08 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: PBRSTREETGANG
I've known some highly intelligent people who had absolutely zero common sense or "street sense".

Not saying that is the case here, it's just that you can't always infer intelligence in all situations from GPA alone.

Sad but true. Here is the math:

Sly + Brute Force > High IQ + 4.0 GPA.

I have some advice for young ladies everywhere. Don't get drunk and run around with young men you don't know. Some of them are not nice people.

245 posted on 06/17/2005 4:39:28 AM PDT by LibKill (Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.)
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To: TexKat

Texcat, I would love to see all Americans who plan travel to Aruba, just cancel their trips in support of Natalee. When the tourism industry suffers we will start obtaining better results in this case.

I know some will say, why should the Aruban people who did not commit this crime suffer? Well it happened in Aruba, their politicios&authorities have screwed up/dragged their feet in this investigation.

The bottom line, when a foreign country fails to start taking the loss of American tourist in their country with a grain of salt. Then they must pay and peer pressure from the all the islanders+ loss of tourism dollars is an effective means.

The intentional or unintentional mistakes the Aruban authorities made at the onset of this investigation should have resulted in some firings.(Incompetence)(Preferential Social Status Treatment)


As I have said before, if this had occurred in the USA. The politicians&police would have jumped out of their asses having this case solved.NSNR


246 posted on 06/17/2005 5:09:51 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: TexKat; Andy'smom; sarasota; bonfire; kcvl; brigette; All

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/

Transcript

Interview With Van der Sloot Friend


247 posted on 06/17/2005 5:12:15 AM PDT by maggief
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To: CitizenM
"...They were not there to give them freedoms that the kids do not even have at home (underage drinking, out at 1-2 a.m., running with "strangers," etc.)"

Keep in mind, this was not a school-sponsored event. This was a private vacation for a bunch of high school girls looking for some sun and fun. Natalie, along with the majority of her friends were 18 years old and in a foreign country that allows drinking at that age. In this case, the "chaperones" were probably one of the girl's "cool Uncle Mike" who happened to be back at the hotel bar with another of the girl's "cool Aunt Sally" enjoying the 30 to 45 crowd.

I'm sorry but, reality says that Natalie and her friends are not a bunch of little innocent lambs here. They were out at a bar getting trashed on the last night of the vacation of their lives and having chaperones in the bar was not an option.

I hope and pray that this girl is found alive for her sake and everyone involved, including the chaperones, but realistically, don't blame the chaperones, blame the naive parents who think that their child would neeeeeever do anything. Everyone thinks their kid is the innocent one in the group. At this time, the facts appear to be that Natalie got snockered and some evil young men took advantage of her in that condition.

248 posted on 06/17/2005 5:28:06 AM PDT by Hatteras
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To: No Surrender No Retreat
Tourism in Aruba has not yet recovered from the dive it took after the 9-11 attacks. From the CIA World Factbook - Aruba.

Tourism is the mainstay of the small, open Aruban economy, with offshore banking and oil refining and storage also important. The rapid growth of the tourism sector over the last decade has resulted in a substantial expansion of other activities. Construction has boomed, with hotel capacity five times the 1985 level. In addition, the reopening of the country's oil refinery in 1993, a major source of employment and foreign exchange earnings, has further spurred growth. Aruba's small labor force and exceptionally low unemployment rate have led to a large number of unfilled job vacancies, despite sharp rises in wage rates in recent years. Tourist arrivals have declined in the aftermath of the 11 September 2001 terrorist attacks on the US. The government now must deal with a budget deficit and a negative trade balance.

249 posted on 06/17/2005 5:50:40 AM PDT by Quilla
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To: maggiefluffs

Thank you for the ping.

Hoping they come up with something today. It's my understanding they have to file something against them by Sunday or they go free, don't they?


250 posted on 06/17/2005 6:03:00 AM PDT by WestCoastGal (Jr "Elvis made a few bad movies," he grinned. "This too shall pass.")
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I keep hearing that Natalee was drunk, but how are we to know the reason for her rumored unstableness that night?

Three girls interviewed last night at Carlos & Charlie's admitted they knew many girls (and some boys) that have had drugs slipped into their drinks, even here in the USA.

A local guy admitted that the C&C location is a hot zone for drugs. If you want to buy anything, cocaine, heroin, marijuana, date rape drugs etc. go there.

Until they find her and do toxicology tests I am not willing to blame her for anything. Why is the victim always to blame rather than the scum who took advantage of her and probably killed her. I pray she is alive, but with every passing day hope fades.
251 posted on 06/17/2005 6:11:22 AM PDT by WestCoastGal (Jr "Elvis made a few bad movies," he grinned. "This too shall pass.")
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To: WestCoastGal; All

I'm not sure how long they can be held without being charged.




From SM:

americaninaruba




Location: Aruba

PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 9:14 am Post subject: Reply with quote
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4th person has been arrested thisd morning...news from the ministrey public....initials S.G.C. born 1978

will bring more news


252 posted on 06/17/2005 6:19:04 AM PDT by maggief
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More from SM:

americaninaruba




Location: Aruba

PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 9:17 am


today 6am police go into house in Sta Cruz where they go with one person ......with initials S.C. this arrest took place 6am this morning...wurprised the family with this arrest....we got differnt information, but we want to get all concrete things together before we bring this news to you.....we dont want to confuse anyone! we want to say that their is suspicion that she is ALIVE! but we dont want to bring up any suspicion to anyone but we willbe beack with info if this person has information for this case...also in savaneta they took someone for interogation.....we are hoping this will come to an end, with all this suspicion we believe shes alive.....stay pending.....thank you harry


253 posted on 06/17/2005 6:21:41 AM PDT by maggief
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To: Hatteras
Keep in mind, this was not a school-sponsored event

I know it was not school-sponsored, never thought or said it was. Doesn't matter, someone organized it...and whoever that was determined that a stupid contract would assure the safety of these kids because they signed it. I wonder how many of the organizers ever cheated on their income tax as adults or have not honored their word in some manner. Or how many or did something they were told not to do when they were teens. The situation these teens were in was far more serious than to have been trusted to honor a stupid contract.

IMHO there is absolutely no excuse for not watching these teens, whether there was some signed contract or not. The life and well-being of any child is too precious to hand it over to possible danger because you want to allow them freedom! It was just irresponsible to let these kids alone, especially at night, and expect "adult" behavior. Heck, even adults go off, get drunk, make stupid decisions.

They played the game of "We're understanding adults who just want to be your friends, kids," and the result is that the group returned - minus one young girl.

254 posted on 06/17/2005 6:24:19 AM PDT by CitizenM ("An excuse is worse than an lie, because an excuse is a lie hidden." Pope John Paul, II)
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To: maggiefluffs

Who is suspecting she is alive? The police?


255 posted on 06/17/2005 6:28:06 AM PDT by pnz1
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To: maggiefluffs

I will be watching for your updates! Oh, I hope she is found. As you can tell, I am very angry with the supposed "chaperones" and the silly idea that they had about a contract. This poor child is the victim of the criminals involved, and very poor, careless judgement on the part of the organizers of this trip. I will pray she is alive. Thanks for all your posts, I have been reading all that you have written.


256 posted on 06/17/2005 6:29:22 AM PDT by CitizenM ("An excuse is worse than an lie, because an excuse is a lie hidden." Pope John Paul, II)
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To: TexKat
Fox News reported that the Natalee Holloway's case is no longer and search and rescue, it is not now a search and recovery.

Sounds like forensics have uncovered what we've all feared.

Aruba has granted Paul van der Sloot permission to visit his son Joran. That the decisions came Thursday afternoon after Paulus van der Sloot had filed a motion for allowing him to see his son on Wednesday

They must have the goods on Joran, or they wouldn't let his dad visit, don't you agree?

P.S. Please add me to your ping list... Thanks
257 posted on 06/17/2005 6:30:53 AM PDT by demkicker (A skunk sat on a stump; the stump thunk the skunk stunk; the skunk thunk the stump stunk.)
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To: maggiefluffs; TexKat; brigette

can one or all of you please add me to your ping lists on this? thanks.


258 posted on 06/17/2005 6:32:51 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: demkicker

Done!!


259 posted on 06/17/2005 6:33:14 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat; Brigitte; spectre; kcvl; Andy'smom; bonfire; Quilla; No Surrender No Retreat; ...

Pinging posts #252 & 253, new UNCONFIRMED reports translated from Aruba TOP95 via SM.

(I'll be leaving shortly and away most of the day. Could someone check SM for updates?)



260 posted on 06/17/2005 6:33:24 AM PDT by maggief
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