Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1

That Marianne Croses is a little twerp who talks like a wind-up doll. Is this the best representative the Aruban government can put on worldwide TV?

LOL. I agree. I'd like to slap her silly.

And that reminds me: I noticed you specified that she's an Aruban .gov representative, which is good. Over the last few weeks I've gotten the impression that the Aruban government people are NOT the same as a typical member of the Aruban population. I think it would be nice if we didn't slam the Aruban people just because of their corrupt government. IMHO, we should keep the two separate, like you did.

1,981 posted on 06/19/2005 9:34:47 PM PDT by blub

I think I heard some spokesperson say that after a certain amount of time, they get moved to the prison.

1,982 posted on 06/19/2005 9:35:27 PM PDT by Rippersnapper

Oh definately. I'm not ruling out kidnappers or abduction. Just trying to think of the biggest reasons.

1,983 posted on 06/19/2005 9:37:12 PM PDT by Rippersnapper

.Like a live body being hidden in a basement somewhere.

See post #1943 where I talk about this. A girl from Aruba who posted here yesterday and before that wrote that "Lorenzo" (who the police talked with just before bringing in S. Croes) had Natalee in the basement of his house. Now we have not heard anything about Lorenzo and that story since.

1,984 posted on 06/19/2005 9:40:40 PM PDT by CitizenM ("An excuse is worse than an lie, because an excuse is a lie hidden." Pope John Paul, II)

To: Rippersnapper

They are all in prison now; they moved one yesterday and the other two today.

1,985 posted on 06/19/2005 9:40:58 PM PDT by Howlin

" That is why I laugh when I hear about the low crime rate...that's bogus. That prison is full - so who's in there? "

Excellent question, Eleni. Perhaps they are bringing in prisoners from other islands or even from Holland.

I was referring to the local jail in my earlier post. I'm assuming they only have one jail and the prison you mentioned. Especially since the popopulation is approx 70,000, I doubt they'd have more than one jail, but who knows with that place. lol

1,986 posted on 06/19/2005 9:41:48 PM PDT by Pepper777

1,987 posted on 06/19/2005 9:43:27 PM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))

1,988 posted on 06/19/2005 9:43:47 PM PDT by stlnative

never without a drink

1,989 posted on 06/19/2005 9:45:01 PM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))

To: Rippersnapper

I know - we all need to get some real answers. Going over this with the same old conflicting information is exhausting, frustrating, maddening. You have been on here most of the day, don't know how you do it. I left a couple of times because I was becoming obssessed. And the stories about the way it is being handled by the Arubian govt./police raise my blood pressure! LOL

1,990 posted on 06/19/2005 9:48:02 PM PDT by CitizenM ("An excuse is worse than an lie, because an excuse is a lie hidden." Pope John Paul, II)

Tacky, Tackier, and Tackiest.

Are we sure the Montana neighborhood of Aruba is not just a glorified trailer court?

1,991 posted on 06/19/2005 9:48:39 PM PDT by Palladin (God Bless America!)

Report to the authorities of the Kingdom of the Netherlands on the visit to Aruba carried out by the European Committee for the Prevention of Torture and Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment (CPT)
from 30 June to 2 July 1994
The authorities of the Kingdom of the Netherlands have agreed to the publication of the CPT's report on its visit to Aruba, together with the responses of the Government of Aruba.

TABLE OF CONTENTS

Copy of the letter transmitting the CPT's report

FOREWORD

FACTS FOUND DURING THE VISIT AND ACTION PROPOSED

A. Introduction

B. Police establishments

1. General remarks

2. Torture and other forms of physical ill-treatment

3. Conditions of detention in the police establishments visited

a. introduction

b. situation in the establishments visited

4. Safeguards against the ill-treatment of detained persons

a. information to a relative or another third party

b. access to a lawyer

c. access to a doctor

d. information on rights

e. conduct of interrogations

f. custody records

g. supervision by the prosecuting/judicial authorities

h. persons detained under the Aliens legislation

C. Aruba Prison

1. General remarks

2. Torture and other forms of physical ill-treatment

3. Conditions of detention in Aruba Prison

a. material conditions of detention, activities and food

i. material conditions of detention

ii. activities

iii. food

iv. action proposed

b. prison staff

c. contact with the outside world

d. discipline

e. solitary confinement

f. complaints and inspection procedures

g. information for prisoners

4. Medical services

a. introduction

b. medical care in general

c. medical facilities and records

d. medical examination on admission

e. psychiatric care

f. issues relating to communicable diseases

g. drug addiction

h. female prisoners with children

D. Recapitulation

1. Police establishments

2. Prisons

APPENDIX I Summary of the CPT's recommendations, comments and requests for information

APPENDIX II List of the Governmental authorities and persons with which the CPT's delegation held consultations

1,992 posted on 06/19/2005 9:49:34 PM PDT by varina davis

Never without a drink- got Urine?

1,993 posted on 06/19/2005 9:50:09 PM PDT by the anti-liberal (Crap impersonating intellectual discourse is the final fruit of decadence (It's time the Left left!))

1,994 posted on 06/19/2005 9:51:14 PM PDT by stlnative

To: the anti-liberal

Can that technology see through several stories into a basement?

I don't know, but that's a good question. Wish I knew.

1,995 posted on 06/19/2005 9:51:37 PM PDT by blub

What a disgusting outfit the Mrs. is wearing! A see thru blouse and white bra?????? Somewhat suggestive I believe. Who would dress like that, and esp. around a 17 year old son?

Then look at the pic of "Urine" and the girl "Dirty Dancing." I wonder if the whole family is a bit perverted. Maybe sonny-boy picked up Natalee for Big Daddy?

1,996 posted on 06/19/2005 9:52:18 PM PDT by CitizenM ("An excuse is worse than an lie, because an excuse is a lie hidden." Pope John Paul, II)

To: Andy'smom; sarasota; cyborg; kcvl; brigette; maggiefluffs; No Surrender No Retreat; ...

Hunt for teen intensifies

Authorities say 3 men in Aruba are strongest lead in disappearance

Sunday, June 05, 2005

HANNAH WOLFSON News staff writer

PALM BEACH, Aruba - Answers in the disappearance of a Mountain Brook teen could be imminent, relatives and authorities said Saturday as the hunt for the missing honor student intensified.

In Aruba, Deputy Police Chief Gerold Dompig said investigators have stepped up their probe into the three men last seen with 18-year-old Natalee Holloway and hinted at a swift resolution in the case that has baffled authorities and grabbed international attention.

"I want everybody to hold their breaths for the next 24 hours," Dompig said Saturday. "There will be developments after this weekend."

A family spokeswoman in Birmingham said much the same.

"They're watching them very closely," Holloway's aunt, Marcia Twitty, said of the three men.

Ten more FBI agents arrived in Aruba Saturday, bringing the total to 13. Attorney General Caren Janssen said they were brought in for "technical assistance."

Also, FBI agents were asked to come to Aruba. A US Representative from AL made some pretty strong comments that one does not do under normal circumstances. Here are some interesting (disturbing) comments from U.S. Rep. Spencer Bachus, R-Vestavia Hills, U.S. Rep. Spencer Bachus, R-Vestavia Hills, said Saturday there were circumstances surrounding Holloway’s disappearance that warranted the FBI being heavily involved. He declined to give details. “The circumstances were disturbing,” said Bachus, who formally requested the FBI’s involvement. “I can’t get into it, but it’s something the family is aware of. There was an immediate recognition that this was not simply a teen who wandered off.”

Aruban authorities still aren't calling their probe a criminal investigation, and Dompig said Saturday they haven't ruled out scenarios that Holloway left on her own or was kidnapped.

"The rule of thumb would be that, as more days pass, the fear becomes greater that we're looking at a situation where we might not find a person alive anymore," he said. "We think something will happen soon. Whether it's a conclusion that's good for the family or less beneficial for the family, I don't know."

Holloway vanished six days ago while on a five-day graduation trip to the tranquil Caribbean island with about 124 graduates and seven chaperones - four men who teach and coach at the middle and high schools in Mountain Brook and three of the men's wives.

She was last seen shortly after 1 a.m. Monday getting into a gray Honda with three Aruban residents as they left Carlos'N Charlie's bar and restaurant. The three men - two Surinamese men and a native of the Netherlands, between the ages 18 to 25 - were questioned and released, but Dompig said Saturday the men are "persons of interest" and investigators' strongest lead to date. Dompig said authorities are reluctant to release too much information about the men, who said they dropped off Holloway at the Holiday Inn where she was staying. The deputy chief said investigators are holding information close to the vest to avoid scaring off anyone.

"Of course, we keep a close eye on them and when we feel comfortable, and that's going to be very soon, there may be some new developments," Dompig said.

1,997 posted on 06/19/2005 9:52:49 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)

Please just post links to the pictures. Some of still use a dial-up ISP and most of us have seen these pictures before.

1,998 posted on 06/19/2005 9:54:05 PM PDT by stlnative

Do you suppose the Mom knows her blouse is *See* thru? EEEKKK... what a site.

1,999 posted on 06/19/2005 9:54:12 PM PDT by Pepper777

I think they have at least two jails. Seems I recall that Croes was held at a different jail than Sloot.

2,000 posted on 06/19/2005 9:54:17 PM PDT by Rippersnapper

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