Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1

Like there's no mafia guys in prison?

If I was guessing, I'd say that moving him to prison was a play to ratchet up the psychological pressure on him. In high school one week, in Big Max the next. That's got to do a head number on a 17 year old.

1,921 posted on 06/19/2005 7:54:03 PM PDT by elli1

I find it amazing as well. Most of the new information seems to be coming out on blogs and then FOX. I even tried Lexis Nexis and there isn't much there either.

1,922 posted on 06/19/2005 7:57:17 PM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))

1,923 posted on 06/19/2005 7:59:16 PM PDT by elli1

Colby - is that her name? I honestly saw her for the first time and thought the same...very weak and very hesitant.

Get Julie Banderas on or the other woman - can't think of her name. Pretty tough.

1,924 posted on 06/19/2005 7:59:39 PM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))

Fox hasn't repeated it either!

1,925 posted on 06/19/2005 8:00:51 PM PDT by Sunshine55

The partially decapitated man's name is RENEE VAN HANEGEM

Natalee Holloway a wòrdu asesiná ?

Latest developments in Aruba:The latest occurrences in Aruba suggest that the island is currently going trough very bad times. Starting with case of Natalee Holloway who has been missing since may 30th . The local authorities aided by the FBI and some Dutch experts have not been able to crack this case yet. As if this case wasn’t enough, Hasibokos.com has received information that the police have found a (partially) decapitated body of an Aruban male Saturday morning in the neighborhood called Sabana (see map). . According to preliminary (unconfirmed) reports the man was murdered in his house and then later dumped in a cemetery close by. The scene at the house and the cemetery have been described as gruesome and bloody. There are also reports of an additional person who’s missing on the island. The pickup truck of the missing man has been found, but the man himself is nowhere to be found. This recent murder and additional missing case are all being investigated

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------The following was copied and pasted from ths Scared Monkeys website. One of their Aruban members translated reports that was coming across the radio:

SM:

A dutch couple report seeing natalee in another club (beach) on another day in the restroom (sacando su alma?) is this vomiting?

Somebody saw a person resembling Natalee looking for a house, (of a choller) (she had a name).

Radio has the id of the man who saw two peole take a woman away from HI against her will.

Sunday night a source who saw Natalee's (MB) group at Marriott. Natalee was seen at a Marriott restaurant with a dark black person and a white person person (did not get times 5 t0 8 am or pm?) . Possibly same two guys who were seen taking her away.

1,926 posted on 06/19/2005 8:02:06 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)

I wonder if the "polis" have talked to Joran's older brother.

1,927 posted on 06/19/2005 8:05:24 PM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))

Colby and Kelly are both deficient as tough interviewers. Missing Greta, Grace and Nancy during the weekend.

1,928 posted on 06/19/2005 8:05:27 PM PDT by varina davis

1,929 posted on 06/19/2005 8:06:45 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)

To: varina davis

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 10:59 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
This is very long but worth reading. It's in regards to the theory of drug smuggling, etc. in Aruba. This comes from the US Department of Justice Webiste:

http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/pubs/intel/03014/03014.html#aruba

Aruba

The Caribbean island of Aruba was politically separated from the Netherlands Antilles in 1996, becoming an autonomous member of the Kingdom of the Netherlands the same year. Located only 20 miles off the coast of Venezuela, Aruba serves as a transshipment point for illicit drugs—primarily cocaine from South America.

Smugglers generally move large loads of cocaine into Aruba on fishing vessels, private yachts, and go-fast boats. They also move drugs out of Aruba inside maritime containerized cargo and airfreight. Drug trafficking organizations continue to exploit Aruba’s air and sea links to the continental United States, South America, Europe, Puerto Rico, and other Caribbean nations. Most of the cocaine transiting Aruba is destined for European markets—primarily the Netherlands.

Aruba has large free-zone facilities (areas that allow goods to be held and then re-shipped elsewhere without paying an import or duty tax), which provide opportunities for bulk shipments of cocaine to transit the area without the scrutiny of local officials. Cocaine shipments in containerized cargo increasingly are transiting the area, specifically through the free zone. The free-zone facilities on Aruba are conducive to transshipments, not only of drugs, but also chemicals used in illicit manufacture of drugs. Some firms in the free zone are suspected of involvement in money laundering.

Couriers on commercial flights and cruise ships smuggle small (usually from 1- to 10-kilogram) amounts of cocaine and, to a lesser extent, heroin, into and out of Aruba, either concealed in their luggage or taped to their bodies. Commercial air couriers, sometimes swallow up to 1 kilogram of cocaine or heroin per trip. Drug couriers easily blend into the hundreds of thousands of tourists who visit Aruba each year.

The proximity of Aruba to South America, a high standard of living in Aruba, and an underdeveloped law enforcement infrastructure make the country an attractive meeting place for South American, European, and U.S. drug traffickers. Colombian traffickers play a major role in the shipments of cocaine and heroin that transit the island, having forged trafficking relationships with local Arubans. In the past, some airline employees and cruise-ship personnel have smuggled drugs through Aruba.

Aruba plays a significant role as an offshore center for drug-related money laundering. Money laundering organizations are well established on Aruba and enjoy protection from considerable bank secrecy laws and a stable currency. The organizations use Aruba’s offshore banking and incorporation systems, free-zone areas, and resort/casino complexes to transfer and to launder drug proceeds. Although money laundering was made illegal in 1999, the legislation requires a provable underlying crime with a penalty of at least 4 years. The Government of Aruba also has an asset-seizure law that allows for seizure at the time of arrest to prevent criminals from moving assets prior to conviction.

The Government of Aruba has recently issued several decrees on money laundering that include increased oversight of casinos and insurance companies. The Government of Aruba also is in the process of instituting reporting requirements for cross-border currency movements in excess of 20,000 Aruban florins (approximately US$11,200). Aruba has a Financial Intelligence Unit (FIU), known as the Meldpunt Ongebruikelijke Transacties (MOT), and is a member of the Egmont Group, 5 an international group of FIUs.

Aruba is not a source country for any of the chemicals used in illicit drug production and has no specific legislation controlling essential chemicals. Difficulties abound when attempting to gauge the levels of chemical transshipment through Aruba, as most chemicals legally pass through Aruba’s Free Trade Zone—an area in which local law enforcement has limited oversight due to local regulations and manpower shortages. The reporting of chemicals transiting the island is strictly voluntary.

The Aruba Organized Crime Unit, a small investigative team of the Aruba Police, or Politie, has responsibility for investigating large-scale drug trafficking crimes. The Coast Guard of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba (CGNAA) is responsible for maritime drug interdictions around Aruba and the Netherlands Antilles. The Governments of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba have agreed to work more closely with the other coast guards operating in the region in order to present a united front against drug trafficking. The CGNAA has its own Criminal Intelligence Division (CID) which is separate from the Politie. However, due to Dutch law, unless the CGNAA can demonstrate that a given vessel is either coming from or going to territorial waters of the Netherlands Antilles or Aruba, any drug law enforcement, other than an administrative boarding, is considered illegal. Dutch investigators also support law enforcement investigations in the Netherlands Antilles.

Cocaine, heroin, and marijuana are readily available in Aruba. Wholesale amounts of cocaine sell for from US$3,800 to US$4,500 per kilogram among drug traffickers; heroin sells for about US$23,000 per kilogram; and marijuana sells for about US$2,000 per kilogram. These low prices suggest a heavy flow of drugs into Aruba. According to Aruban statistics, an estimated 14 percent of Arubans regularly use illicit drugs.

Aruba serves as one of two forward operating locations (FOLs) in the Caribbean for U.S. counterdrug aircraft. The FOL, located at Queen Beatrix Airport near Oranjestad, provides a landing and servicing area for counterdrug detection and monitoring missions in the region. The United States and Aruba do not have a formal maritime law enforcement agreement.

The Kingdom of the Netherlands, including Aruba, is party to the 1988 U.N. Drug Convention, a member of the Financial Action Task Force (FATF), 6 and has an MLAT agreement with the United States. The United States–Netherlands extradition treaty of 1980 extends to the Government of Aruba, and provides for the extradition of nationals. Aruba also has criminal procedure code that allows for the extradition of Aruban nationals, subject to their serving any sentences imposed in Aruba. In addition, Aruba is a member of the CFATF.
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From Scared Monnkey post.

1,930 posted on 06/19/2005 8:09:12 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)

I was gone for most of the day and hoping so much for some good news on this case. I have been reading this thread for the last half-hour, getting angrier each minute with the recent nonsense by the govt. and police there.

The "cowboy" comment the other day really got under my skin. Then there is this continual PR activity (on all networks) to interview people who say how "grand" Aruba is, very little crime, peaceful, etc. Well, we all know the saying: "Me thinks thou doth protest too much." And we are all seeing that a peaceful, crime-free Aruba just "ain't" so.

Now we have this guy saying that all Natalee's family (was he a cop?) should take polygraph tests. Everyone on that island must be NUTSO, full of guava juice or something.

Three weeks and still no answers, just conflicting stories and "witnesses" and "suspects" going in and out that police station like people stuck in a revolving door.

This is going to become a really serious international incident if something does not get answered pretty quickly. It has already hurt their tourism, and they are responsible for that because of their arrogance about their "system," which, obviously is just an excuse for covering up some real sleazy things going on.

I don't know if the disappearance of Natalee was some isolated accident type thing caused by a bunch of stupid boys...or part of a larger, planned, covert criminal operation. Either way it does not matter now. So much effort is being spent on all the fringe areas of this, and little time really on the issue: WHERE IS NATALEE, AND WHAT HAPPENED TO HER?

Plus the treatment by the govt. to Natalee's parents is abominable. I would not be surprised if one or several of them don't collapse under the stress and end up being hospitalized. People just cannot go on like this, and be being treated so despicably at the same time.

I wish I had some contacts in organized crime to go there and wipe up things real fast. You know...another "family" feud type conclusion to things!

Ok...end rant now. Whew!

1,931 posted on 06/19/2005 8:09:25 PM PDT by CitizenM ("An excuse is worse than an lie, because an excuse is a lie hidden." Pope John Paul, II)

Thanks! Now I at least have a name. Also at that Hasibokos.com site is this:

"SUNDAY: Missing man has been identified as Sergio Gomez. This case and the dead, partially decapitaed, body found at Sabana are not believed to be related to the Natalee Holloway case."

1,932 posted on 06/19/2005 8:13:35 PM PDT by blub

A dutch couple report seeing natalee in another club (beach) on another day in the restroom (sacando su alma?) is this vomiting?

Once again. One of the gals on the trip spoke up and said it was her and not Natalee in the restroom.

1,933 posted on 06/19/2005 8:16:41 PM PDT by Rippersnapper

Well, the sneaky bastard (he must have told Jamie's previewers a lie to get on the show) turned it around to saying that the Holloway family should be investigated and given lie detector tests.

I thought the same thing. What a butt.

1,934 posted on 06/19/2005 8:16:45 PM PDT by blub

Trying to track this down ---Have you heard about the Vandersloots liking Venezuela and the gambling there (According to the 'Sloot mother)?

1,935 posted on 06/19/2005 8:17:40 PM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))

I wonder if the "polis" have talked to Joran's older brother.

I didn't know he had an older brother. I thought he had two younger brothers and a younger sister.

1,936 posted on 06/19/2005 8:18:32 PM PDT by Rippersnapper

1,937 posted on 06/19/2005 8:18:45 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)

To: the anti-liberal

Ever since hearing about the boat DJ suspect, I keep expecting to hear that the boat he worked on has been searched- perhaps this has been mentioned I've simply missed it? Anyone?

They're waiting for the end of their obligatory 10-day waiting period before collection of any crucial evidence, don't cha know.

1,938 posted on 06/19/2005 8:19:03 PM PDT by blub

To: Rippersnapper

Once again. One of the gals on the trip spoke up and said it was her and not Natalee in the restroom.

Once again, I was posting to someone that ask me for some info. Thank you.

1,939 posted on 06/19/2005 8:21:42 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)

Once again, I was posting to someone that ask me for some info. Thank you.

I didn't see a correction to the bad info, and didn't want to see bad info perpetuated.

1,940 posted on 06/19/2005 8:23:15 PM PDT by Rippersnapper

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