Posted on 06/16/2005 9:43:44 AM PDT by stlnative
FR Natalee Holloway Threads...
Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts?q=1&&page=1#1
Aruba Info...
Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif
Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif
San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif
Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)
Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif
Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)
Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/
Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html
Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html
Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR
Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/
Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923
FR Quick Ping List (copy & paste) - active posters to the thread
Andy'smom;bonfire;brigette;kcvl;maggiefluffs;No Surrender No Retreat;Palladin;Rippersnapper;TexKat;theophilusscribe
Paulus van Sloot left the police station after 4+ hours of questioning for now anyway.
Me too demkicker.
FYI:
Crime in Aruba
Just some articles and links to crime in Aruba that is supposed to be non-existant. Some of them, mind you, are a few years old, therefore may not apply, but should at least clear up the myth that there is no crime in Aruba.
The Evening Standard (London, England); 4/1/2004
A BARBER who was unmasked as Britain's biggest ever crack cocaine dealer was behind bars today and facing a lengthy jail term - but police are still trying to trace his missing millions.
Evidence from around the world suggests Lincoln White created an international drugs empire, amassing a [pounds sterling]170 million fortune.
White, who told the court he was a "freelance barber", imported the cocaine from Panama, Mexico, Aruba, and Grenada before turning it into crack at Tulloch's flat.
Crack in Aruba? Gee, what a surprise
Caribbean Update : INCREASE IN CRIME.(Aruba crime in tourist areas)(International Pages)(Legal Beat)(Brief Article) @ HighBeam Research
Caribbean Update
December 01, 2001
There has been an increase in crime in Aruba, reports the U.S. State Dept. (Nov. 9, 2001),which notes: "Although strolling downtown or in other tourist areas after dark used to be generally safe, Americans should note that there has been a sharp rise in armed robberies.
Newspapers report these incidents as being mostly drug related. There have been incidents of theft from hotel rooms. Petty crime and credit card fraud continues to be a problem."
Copyright 2001
...
AP Worldstream
03-26-2004
Dateline: ORANJESTAD, Aruba
Authorities have detained four Dutch marines on drug-smuggling suspicions, sending two back to the Netherlands and keeping two in custody in Aruba while the military investigates, a spokeswoman said Friday.
The four suspects, who have not been identified by name, were low-ranking marines serving in a 200-strong military presence at the Savanega base in this Dutch Caribbean territory, spokeswoman Lt. Melanie van de Haak said.
They were detained March 17 during raids at their homes in Aruba, and "had been suspects during an ongoing investigation," she said.
I came across several links related to the casinos in Aruba and the Gambino crime family. The mob in casinos? Tell me it isn't so. Do a google search for more info on that one.
AP Worldstream
03-08-2004
Dateline: AMSTERDAM, Netherlands
A majority of the people imprisoned in the Netherlands are foreigners or immigrants, the Central Bureau for Statistics said Monday.
At the end of September 2003, 55 percent of the Dutch prison population was born abroad, compared with 50 percent 10 years ago, the government agency said.
The increase could reflect the drive in recent years to crack down on crime, especially drug offenses.
The overall number of people in prison rose by 7 percent to around 13,000 from September 2002, the statistics office said.
Around 9 percent of prisoners are from Suriname, the former Dutch colony, and an additional 9 percent from the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba, both Dutch possessions in the Caribbean. Moroccans comprise 7 percent and Turks 5 percent.
About 2 percent of prisoners are illegal immigrants awaiting deportation. That figure does not include the 46,000 asylum seekers detained in dormitory-like "deportation centers" while their applications are processed.
Of the 1,600 prisoners serving a sentence of longer than four years, 70 percent were convicted of violent crimes and 25 percent of drug offenses. The Netherlands is believed to be one of the world's largest producers of the synthetic party drug Ecstasy, and a gateway for cocaine traffic through Europe.
Copyright 2004, AP News All Rights Reserved
Now there is that other story out there from Aruba's fm95 radio station that there is a witness that saw Natalee and Joran at the Marriott and that Joran left and Deepak returned to the hotel for something.
I wonder if this is the witness that the person at the radio person was referring to and I wonder if the decapitation was a message to her.
Good find and right with what I have been looking at. The countries where the Casa Nostra {they say Gambino family but it the C=C {I cannot keep looking up how they spell it, yall know who I mean } family. They are into the financing, exporting and transport of drugs, related to Escobar{RIP}, are involved in a global criminal enterprise. The third generation of that family are controlling things. In Venezuela, Colombia,Panama, suspect Panama,Aruba. They have ties in Turkey, with Islamoterrorists, the far east drug and sex trade.
This is vast,,even bigger than huge. And they buy people everywhere, Canada and Aruba pretty documented. So those people, the ones in Aruba, may be or may have been trying to cover for Sloot and it blew up.
If nat is alive, she will be brought back. If she is dead, a can of worms can be opened but I doubt it will be.
Looks like an anti Bush, anti Regan hit piece.
I think the CIA started being involved in this years ago. And it went thru a couple of dem administrations. The Bay of Pigs was a Kennedy op. And Bush Sr. was just back from the war, WWII, when the CIA was formed, or the old OSA, post WWII by the Trumans and continued under Eisenhower.
One cannot lay the formation of the CIA at the feet of Bush Sr.
This is a hit piece, it may be true, but the writing is slanted and unfair. This is blame the US for everything.
Correction,,OSS.
I am foggy on all this history, perhaps someone of the thread who is a CIA/OSS buff knows more of this.
The piece just hit my suspicious streak, of the press and the anti US tone that you hear so often from people who think we get what we deserve from anyone who wants to bash us. I guess I am in full defensive mode,,what do others think.
Is this a Cuban newpaper,,looks like it.
Wow, didn't occur to me either, but I think you might be right. :(
Hi brigette
Hope your family gathering went well and that you had a good time. Here are a couple of tid bits from yesterday.
Dario Reporter:
He told Fox reporter:
We have been working on this case since the first day, since then have picked up every piece of material, so they can have everything to put together this story. Tonight again we are on the road cause the team is following some suspect cars that we need for this story. Looks like we are going to have a nice finish for this story asap. His sources say they have moved already from where they were and they want to know exactly where they are going. She asks who do you think is moving Natalie and is he saying that he thinks she is alive? He says yes, of course. We are going in a group of 2 ladies, 3 gentlemen. One gentlemen knows a person who knows how to deal with drugs (not from Aruba) maybe from Venezuela or Columbia. The plan was to drive Natalee to columbia, but the latest news we have right now is that because the plan has failed 3 times already, they may try to reach Columbia before Venezuela. She asked what kind of condition he thinks she is in. He says that the police have their investigation going on, the press does too. We are going to all steps we can, we have put together a group to follow a car that we think are involved in this. We are working on a tip. Have not notified her family, we are working with the police.
1,343 posted on 06/18/2005 6:52:29 PM PDT by TexKat
They are reporting now that Sloot's (sic) daddy is being questioned and has been for 4 hours.
1,364 posted on 06/18/2005 7:04:58 PM PDT by eleni121
From SM:
anybody has the number of her radio station? i would like to call her :0) anyway back to NH the important persone here, so is this true about finding her clothes in a house?
1,366 posted on 06/18/2005 7:05:54 PM PDT by TexKat
In Aruba...it is all falling like a house of cards, it appears.
Natalee hidden in the basement of Lorenzo (VDS's half brother), then being moved around. Now, a decapated man found and another missing man. It is all going down.
I sure hope there are some boats and planes circling that island looking for boats leaving. etc.. Couldn't they shut down the harbors too, like we would here, just as an extra measure to stop boat traffic?
1,369 posted on 06/18/2005 7:06:55 PM PDT by CitizenM
Hubert Teal is a reporter from Diario who was interviewed on Fox and said that Natalie was alive and being held alive maybe on the way to Colombia or Venezuela...developing
1,372 posted on 06/18/2005 7:08:34 PM PDT by eleni121
That same area, colombia/venezuela border is where the two Casa Nostra guys have a big ranch with incredible security. The ones described in that long article I posted. They arfe key, money men and gangsters with connections all over the world.
Nat's mom is live on Fox and looks terrible. Poor eye contact, she looks bad to me.
1,374 posted on 06/18/2005 7:10:22 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)
http://www.nsnews.com/issues00/w030600/leo.html
http://www.tni.org/archives/tblick/aruba.htm
This is required reading to be a true expert. It is long, worth it, and has names in the article who are present players.
DONT MISS THIS ONE.
1,427 posted on 06/18/2005 7:43:22 PM PDT by cajungirl
PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 1:23 am Post subject: Reply with quote
TTownMike wrote:
Red wrote:
friend of monkeys wrote:
boxopen wrote:
TTownMike wrote:
HOW BOUT ANOTHER GROUP PRAYER FOR NATALEE? 11:45 CST
LORD BRING BACK OUR NATALEE SAFE AND SOON!
Did you know... fortunely exists a thread named "Prayer and Support Thread for Friends and Family of Natalee" here:
http://scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/viewtopic.php?t=20
i prayed for days uno
Didn't one of the brothers give up that they dropped of VDS & Natalee at the Marriott and not the Holiday Inn as originally stated? If I remember right, Is there not also a dock in between the Marriott & Holiday Inn where Boats are tied? Or I think it is right near the Marriott. Can anyone from Aruba confirm that for me?
From the theory of taking Nat off the island this may have been how it could have been done. This just gets more and more strange.
Not frm Aruba but yes and yes and yes!
From the very beginning of this I had always wondered about the following statement and the more that no trace of natalee could be found anywhere I keep going back to it. People just don't vanish if amatures perpetrate a crime. There is always a mistake. Why was the following said in the very begining:
Here are some interesting (disturbing) comments from U.S. Rep. Spencer Bachus, R-Vestavia Hills,
U.S. Rep. Spencer Bachus, R-Vestavia Hills, said Saturday there were circumstances surrounding Holloway’s disappearance that warranted the FBI being heavily involved. He declined to give details.
“The circumstances were disturbing,” said Bachus, who formally requested the FBI’s involvement. “I can’t get into it, but it’s something the family is aware of. There was an immediate recognition that this was not simply a teen who wandered off.”
This from scared monkey. They said 8 FBI were there but obviously not all on the Island.
And people there keep calling snoot's father, Paulus, the "big fish". I don't know if that is inside knowledge or just speculation.
Damn, I am so hooked on this story.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 1:47 am Post subject: Reply with quote
Here's to Joran Rotting at at Prison in Rotterdam!
Honestly, I don't know if there is a prison in Rotterdam...I just like the way it rolls of the tongue...Rotterdam...Rotterdam...
Yall get out of bed! I liked this post from SM,,it made me laugh. Now I cant get "Rotterdam" out of my head.
When I was looking for info on where Santa Lucia was located in Aruba, I came upon an article that said the illegal activity using boats tend to meet or do so at the california lighthouse. They use it as a beacon or point of reference.
I know they say they didn't go there now, but instead took her to the Marriot. But, we do have the witness saying that two men grabbed her from that area. Maybe the two that grabbed her took her to the lighthouse?
Anyway, just thought I'd mention it.
You keep Rotterdam! lol The place name that I do that with is 'Abu Dhabi'. I don't know why. :)
Great research! Thank you.
In the old US Mafia neighborhoods there was very little street crime. The Mafia took care of 'inconveniences' because they didn't want the Feds snooping around.
History repeating itself, the Aruban Govt. didn't want the FBI snooping around in their "crime free" island and pretty much kicked the divers, the dogs and the forensics out.
The Aruban "reporters" seem scared and hesitant to get involved.
Here we go again - Cuba redux after the Natalee mystery is solved.
IMHO
sp
The blind fools see Aruba as an island paradise. It's never been a paradise except for the drug trade and unsavory characters who profit.
Crime stats are easy to manipulate, just never compile, or report the ones that would shine a bad light on the island of Aruba. NSNR
Reminds me of the Janet Reno crime stat reports during the 8 years of klintoon's "reign of terror." Crime was at an all time low and there were no threats from the terrorists? TWA800, OKC bombing and USS Cole to name a few. LIARS who keep on telling lies for self preservation. Synonomous with Aruban sustained economic viablity. NSNR
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