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Huge Confederate flag flying high over I-65
decaturdaily. ^ | 13-June-2005

Posted on 06/13/2005 4:41:07 AM PDT by stainlessbanner

VERBENA (AP) — A huge Confederate battle flag flying over Interstate 65 north of Montgomery will become a permanent fixture, according to officials with the Sons of Confederate Veterans.

The organization bought land on the side of the interstate near Verbena and put up the flag, which has been flying for several months above the tree lines from the top of a large pole, easily visible from the heavily traveled interstate.

Leonard Wilson, commander of the Alabama division of Sons of Confederate Veterans, said the flag will be dedicated in a ceremony at 5 p.m. on June 26.

The flag is located on a little more than half an acre of land just north of where Autauga County 68 crosses over the interstate, about six miles south of the Verbena exit.

"We put the flag up so people could see it," Wilson said. "We are showing off our heritage. The flag is part of our heritage."

Critics of Confederate flag displays say they are reminders of the slavery era and Alabama's racist past, and can damage Alabama's image when flown beside a busy interstate route to Gulf beaches.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Alabama
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To: stand watie
Come on, Watie. Show the evidence that Benjamin Butler, or for that matter any Union troops, sold slaves off to the the Caribbean during the Civil War.

Did they take them there in a U-Boat?

481 posted on 07/01/2005 9:18:30 AM PDT by Heyworth
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To: BootsOnTheGround
A free America is the World's last hope.

Perhaps. When do you think it will be free again?

482 posted on 07/01/2005 9:22:05 AM PDT by Protagoras (Now that the frog is fully cooked, how would you like it served?)
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To: BootsOnTheGround
do you mean traitors to FREEDOM like lincoln, johnson,stanton,butler,sherman, etc??

THOSE TRAITORS???

i would certainly agree that lincoln, the TYRANT & WAR CRIMINAL, & his coven of cheap scheming politicians & HATE-MONGERS were TRAITORS to the Constitution.

free dixie,sw

483 posted on 07/01/2005 9:30:52 AM PDT by stand watie (being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. it is a LEARNED prejudice against dixie.)
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To: stand watie
"are you REALLY that STUPID, to believe that LEFTIST/REVISIONIST BILGE???"

What are the exact hours the staff allows you out from the 'Home for Little Neo-Confederate Wanders'?

484 posted on 07/01/2005 9:33:21 AM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: M. Espinola
like i said about a 100 times, at least:

you, sir, are NOT smart enough to be a FReeper. Head over to DU & be "one of the finest" of DU-dummies.

Whisky Papa, cvn76 , #3fan & a host of other EX-freepers are there waiting for you.

free dixie,sw

485 posted on 07/01/2005 9:42:53 AM PDT by stand watie (being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. it is a LEARNED prejudice against dixie.)
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To: stand watie
At the Home they might begin to wonder where you disappeared - again.
486 posted on 07/01/2005 10:16:18 AM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: stand watie
Where's your evidence that Butler sold slaves to the Caribbean? Is that another product of your fevered "wishing makes it so" brain, like the Galveston U-Boat, the "National HQ" of the KKK in Ohio, the "8-row, mule-drawn cotton picker" that would have eliminated slavery by 1870 and all the rest of the lunatic claims you've made?

You do realize, don't you, that you're the real laughingstock of these threads? You've convinced at least one southern partisan that you're actually a SPLC troll.

487 posted on 07/01/2005 10:56:39 AM PDT by Heyworth
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To: stainlessbanner
The "Sons" have some odd critics.

This is the same rep who claims that legislative moves to protect the definition of marriage in Alabama are similar to Nazi war crimes:

State Rep. Alvin Holmes, D-Montgomery, an outspoken critic of the Confederate flag flying from public buildings or on taxpayer owned property, said he's concerned the location of the flag along a main route from northern and midwestern states to Gulf Coast beaches will hurt the state's image.

"But legally I don't think there's anything we can do about it because it's on private property," said Holmes, who was once arrested along with other black legislators for trying to remove a Confederate flag that at the time flew from the dome of the state Capitol.

Holmes said he believes for many people the flag "represents slavery, racism and oppression" and urged the Sons of Confederate Veterans to take it down.
-- AP article
Holmes has no ethical and moral compass to be pronouncing judgment on these keepers of history.
488 posted on 07/01/2005 11:21:43 AM PDT by John Filson
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To: John Filson
actually, Homes is what southerners call a SCALAWAG, i.e. a TRAITOR to the southland & his state.

come dixie LIBERTY, the lot of a scalawag will be UNpleasant.

NATURE is UNkind to turncoats.

free dixie,sw

489 posted on 07/01/2005 2:10:23 PM PDT by stand watie (being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. it is a LEARNED prejudice against dixie.)
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To: stand watie
What's most sad is that keeping the memory of history alive is what helps us to avoid repeating it. The Sons of Confederate Veterans are doing just that.


490 posted on 07/01/2005 8:11:12 PM PDT by John Filson
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To: CurlyBill

In its recent eminent domain decision, the Supreme Court blocked the U.S. power to override a local government decision. That was not an example of the federal government over-extending its power; unless you are arguing that the precedent (or renewal of existing precedent) makes it more likely that the federal government could also exercise eminent domain for the benefit of private parties at some future time.


491 posted on 07/01/2005 9:20:35 PM PDT by Ruadh (Liberty is not a means to a political end. It is itself the highest political end. — LORD ACTON)
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To: John Filson
fwiw, i've been a SCV member for more than 1/4 century. and a founding/charter/life member of the Partisan Ranger Society for about as long.

free dixie,sw

492 posted on 07/02/2005 7:33:13 AM PDT by stand watie (being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. it is a LEARNED prejudice against dixie.)
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To: CurlyBill
... or a cause that has been advertised as something different by today's race-hustlers and leftist hand wringers.

Neo-confederate types are quick to point out that Northerners and unionists weren't wholly behind 21st century ideas of racial equality. They make a point of that. I'd almost say they do a good job of it, but they don't. They get dishonest and deceptive about the Emancipation Proclamation and why the last stage of abolition had to wait until 1865. But at least they are trying to get underneath what they take to be the "official story" of history.

When it comes to the Confederacy itself, they lose all their critical powers and skeptical faculties. Everything is devoted to "proving" that the defense of slavery wasn't a major reason for secession and the formation of the Confederacy. They try to whitewash or sanitize Southern history by portraying the leaders of the 1861 revolt as more or less like 21st century Southerners, as people for whom owning and keeping slaves wasn't a central part of their lives.

Clearly not everybody was putting slavery first all the time. But if you could somehow be transported to Mississippi or South Carolina in 1860, you'd very quickly see how important slavery and race were to voters and their representatives. Follow the debates of the 1860s and you'll find that the defense of slavery was a crucial issue for the Old South, that outweighed all other questions of practical politics. The deception enters when people try to hide or deny that.

What you get from "Dixie Net" or the League of the South is a simplified whitewash that's more of a deception that whatever most people find in their history books. There are plenty of hucksters out their who prey on people's desire to hear the "real story" and simply provide a cheap comic book "North bad, South good" version of history.

People are deceived because they want to be deceived. The irony is that they think they're getting some deeper and truer understanding of history when all their really getting is a rehash of Old South propaganda and postwar excuses and evasions.

493 posted on 07/02/2005 7:50:27 AM PDT by x
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To: x

The neo confederates seem to forget that for the Southern landed gentry who dominated their states politically, their slaves had more market value than their land. Follow the money.


494 posted on 07/02/2005 2:30:08 PM PDT by Torie (Constrain rogue state courts; repeal your state constitution)
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To: stand watie
I read an article about a black man who wanted to read a poem at an African American Civil War Memorial ceremony in DC about Africans who fought for the Confederacy. He was denied the opportunity. The number of blacks who fought for the South is a mystery, but their silent testimony offers a good deal of contrast to the contemporary polemics we get from anti-Southern activists. The war was truly complex, and any sincere effort to remember it accurately is to be commended.
495 posted on 07/02/2005 7:18:06 PM PDT by John Filson
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To: John Filson
This happens regularly. HK Edgerton has been denied when he offers to speak with school children about the war. Turns out the folks in charge of many schools, businesses, and organizations are more interested in pushing their own biased view of history, than the truth.

As long as we keep history alive and telling our story, the truth will abound.

496 posted on 07/02/2005 7:23:53 PM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: Torie
The neo-confederate crowd have conveniently forgotten a lot of historical facts.
497 posted on 07/02/2005 7:32:53 PM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: stainlessbanner


H.K. Edgerton

I like his message: Heritage, not hate.

498 posted on 07/02/2005 7:39:24 PM PDT by John Filson
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To: Shooter 2.5
It's a bunch of losers remembering their loser past.

LOL, I must admit, that is a pretty good bait line for a Confederate thread.

I rate your attempt a good 8 of a 10.

499 posted on 07/02/2005 7:46:43 PM PDT by LowOiL ("I am neither . I am a Christocrat" -Benjamin Rush)
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To: ImAmerican

The other night, when I heard the news that Shelby Foote had passed away, I was fortunate enough to listen to an interview he gave about the South several years ago. Even though it appears on the NPR Web site, it's definitely worth a listen, especially for Northerners who have a tendency to stereotype the South:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4722305

Click Listen.


500 posted on 07/02/2005 7:50:33 PM PDT by Uncle Vlad
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