Posted on 05/29/2005 11:43:58 PM PDT by John Filson
Gee, first I've heard of it.
As usual, liberals are making things up as they go along.
Agreed, and I've seen this gun do NICE things to terrorists.
I had a Boyse rifle back before 1968, when it was banned. I was never tempted to use it on anything except barrels of water and an occasional watermelon.
All the libs are doing is trying to cut one critter out of the flock at a time, then, they will be back for the next one.
I'm sure John Moses Browning would disagree with that were he here to make a statement.
This is why I don't watch network "news" programs...
Some of those others are made using cut up muffler parts and other substandard metal.
Number of crimes committed with .50 BMG semiauto weapons in the US to date - zero.
Number of terrorists dispatched to Shaitan by .50 BMG semiauto rifles - uncountable.
Those are muzzleloaders, not .50 BMG, but, the slope is always slippery!
IIRC, Mr. Browning's M2 machine gun was originally designed to penetrate the armor of World War I tanks, which had about 0.5 inches of steel. Mr. Bradley of See Bull Stools said that, "In response, the FBI deployed Bradley fighting vehicles for protection. But even that wasn’t sufficient, and heavier armor was brought in." Meanwhile they showed an M113 Armored Personnel Carrier, which has about 1 inch of aluminum to protect against .30 cal. medium machineguns and shrapnel from High Explosive fragmentation mortar and artillery rounds. Bradley Fighting Vehicles provide much better armor and protection than Vietnam War era M113s.
Christian Sharps might have something to say about it as well.
Christian Sharps' lever action falling-block rifle design of 1848 was the first successful design available in a .50 centerfire cartridge.
And, of course, John Browning created the .50 Browning Machine Gun cartridge and weapons to fire it from.
Either statement of fact would shoot holes (pun intended) in the SeeBS story.
Brads will shrug off .50 or .51 (Russian) fire. You might take some of the stuff mounted on the hull off, but the vehicle itself will be uninpaired.
The M113 isn't even proof against 7.62 NATO in the configuration they showed.
That said, there IS no heavier armored personnel carrier in the US Army inventory than the Bradley. The only thing heavier is main battle tanks, and I don't recall seeing any M60s or M1s at the Waco standoff, do you?
This is an example of why I think you are a troll.
The Second Amendment doesn't talk about what sort of weapons the police may have.
I can think of two people who'd get Mr. Browning's back:
Mr. Garand, and Tovarich Kalashnikov.
Anything the military has, the people should also have (if they can afford to pay for it on the open market), so as to keep the government in check, to defend the nation as a whole should it become necessary, or simply to defend themselves. That was and is the whole point of the Second Amendment.
That's also why the UN really wants it to go away.
"Anything the military has, the people should also have (if they can afford to pay for it on the open market), so as to keep the government in check, to defend the nation as a whole should it become necessary, or simply to defend themselves."
So you think it is ok if private citizens, at least the ones who could afford it, owned tactical nuclear weapons and ICBMs? You don't see any problem with that?
I might add...3 of those residents had class 3 federal firearms licenses....so posession of any said weapons would be LEGAL...
Funny thing how that front door...logged into evidence...just up and disappeared...
And the intersting discrepancy about "free fire" into the compound...seeing as the Marshals truthfully told of finding "huge piles of spent brass" in the observation posts after the final assault...on a building full of children...
Sure Koresh was wacked...but he never failed to make a court appearance...and twice a week jogged outside the compound...
He was easy pickin's if he really was the goal...
My solution to the whole mess was to simply put up a fence and a couple gaurd towers...call us when you decide to come out...
But that wouldnt have sent a message...or the provocation associated with that message...
Nuclear weapons are a special case. Besides, do you know anyone who's got $10 BILLION (with a B) to buy one?
This is exactly what the FBI learned in 1993 at Waco when Branch Davidians fired a Barrett .50-caliber sniper rifle at them.
In response, the FBI deployed Bradley fighting vehicles for protection. But even that wasn’t sufficient, and heavier armor was brought in."
What!? Exactly...uh, false.
"According to DD Clarke, there was concern and uncertainty as to the types of weapons inside the compound, particularly in view of the reported presence of .50 caliber rifles capable of penetrating any tactical vehicle in the FBI's inventory. As a result of these concerns, the FBI requested Bradley fighting vehicles from the U.S. Army. Nine of these -- without barrels, pursuant to an agreement between the FBI and the Army to avoid posse comitatus prohibitions -- were ultimately provided.
When the Bradleys arrived and were positioned around the compound, Koresh advised that he had weapons that could "blow them 40 to 50 feet in the air." The FBI then sought and obtained from the Army two Abrams (MlAl) tanks and five M728 Combat Engineer vehicles (CEVs), to give FBI personnel adequate protection from the .50 caliber rifles and other, more powerful weapons the Davidians might have."
Report to the Deputy Attorney General on the Events at Waco, Texas
You really shouldn't lie about people that way, it makes you look like...uh, a liar.
So now educate me about how the police shouldn't have deadly weapons because they don't need to use deadly force when necessary, Einstein.
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