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CNN: Man Held in Custody at Frederick, MD Airport, Re: D.C. Plane Scare
Wednesday, May 11, 2005 | Kristinn

Posted on 05/11/2005 10:09:33 AM PDT by kristinn

CNN's Kelly Arena reports that one man is being held by Maryland State Police at an airport in Frederick, MD. The police are waiting for federal authorities to arrive on the scene.

The man is said to be the pilot of the small aircraft that triggered an evacuation of government buildings in downtown Washington when he reportedly violated restricted airspace.

Frederick, MD. is located about an hour northwest of Washington, D.C. along the I-270 corridor.


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; US: Maryland; US: Pennsylvania; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: airraid; dc; evacuation; falsealarm; nationalsecurity; violationofairspace; washingtondc
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To: jsbankston

I'm on the opposite side of the country and have no chart, but earlier posts indicated the ADIZ, controlled airspace requiring contact, is 25 NM. And they notice you even before that.

But lets just run with your scenario fast moving jet scenario. What would you propose they do different, every day, as our policy?


241 posted on 05/11/2005 2:08:46 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Rocky Mountain Mama

See, when they let loose, who knows what they'll do!?


242 posted on 05/11/2005 2:08:57 PM PDT by pa mom
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To: AmishDude

LOL! Love the suspenders, dude.


243 posted on 05/11/2005 2:13:09 PM PDT by pa mom
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To: jsbankston
Good question.

This is interesting, because the DC area has unique airspace rules. They call themselves an ADIZ, which when I was working as a CFI, which was actually marked the Boundaries of US airspace.

Essentially, no aircraft can operate in the ADIZ without contacting ATC, filing a flight plan, and getting a transponder code for penetrating the ADIZ. However, the ADIZ is superimposed of the most controlled from of airspace, class B. Which requires a clearance to enter, and requires Positive ATC control. It looks like all GA flight is restricted for about a 10 mile radius from the Capital. That is 5 minutes for a 152, from first error to overflying the capital. A jet can cover this in less then 2 minutes without looking suspicious.

A jet out of national probably would take less then 60 seconds to overfly the capital after first deviation from ATC commands. That is much more dangerous than a dopey Cessna.

http://www.aopa.org/adiz/host.html

244 posted on 05/11/2005 2:13:52 PM PDT by Dead Dog
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245 posted on 05/11/2005 2:14:31 PM PDT by devolve (My WWII Tribute: http://pro.lookingat.us/WWII.html - more traffic than DU-Koz-LDot)
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To: Dead Dog

Oh, there's a bad illegal immigrant joke in there somewhere. I'm not touching it!


246 posted on 05/11/2005 2:14:36 PM PDT by pa mom
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To: hummingbird

LOL! Could you imagine if AQ started recruiting blue hairs in FL? As long as they get dinner at 4:30 they'd be dangerous!


247 posted on 05/11/2005 2:15:25 PM PDT by pa mom
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To: pa mom

Actually it was a bad Ted Kennedy Joke....as in Yeahaw, Dukes of Chapaquidick...splash!


248 posted on 05/11/2005 2:17:22 PM PDT by Dead Dog
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To: N. Theknow
What was the name of the Army base in Frederick? Wasn't that the home of the Chemical and Biological Warfare development?

Don't know about that but it's amusing to me that Frederick, MD, is the home field for AOPA - the Airplane Owners and Pilots Assn. As a member, I can say they've been doing their level best to keep private pilots aware of both the Washington DC ADIZ (air defense Identification zone) that was apparently the factor in this case, and the TFRs (temp flight restrictions) which apply anywhere Dubyah or Cheney land.

And I can testify that, with all the traveling the Prez is doing pumping his SS reform package, a pilot has to be very careful - almost lucky - to avoid violating a TFR. Since they're generally 30 miles in radius, they affect not just the major airport where the Prez might land, but all the small GA (general aviation) fields nearby.

249 posted on 05/11/2005 2:22:03 PM PDT by IonImplantGuru (Give me heaven... or a 637!)
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To: Dead Dog

Ah, got it! I was thinking souped up South of the Border vehicles.


250 posted on 05/11/2005 2:22:40 PM PDT by pa mom
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To: hummingbird
Oh, you've met my Dad!

LOL!

Reminds me of my dying wish:
When I go, I want to go quietly, like my grandfather,
not screaming in terror, like the passengers in his car.
251 posted on 05/11/2005 2:22:52 PM PDT by HKMk23 (Rex regum et Dominus dominantium)
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To: purpleland
How I pity the bureaucrats and politik aristocracy scramblng for cover. I expect the wayward pilot and/or the Democrats will blame the pilot's faulty navigation on President Bush and the Patriot Act. (Only the last line is sarcasim.)

Can you imagine the paperwork that will be generated in the next few days?
252 posted on 05/11/2005 2:22:53 PM PDT by hummingbird ("If it wasn't for the insomnia, I could have gotten some sleep!")
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To: HairOfTheDog
But lets just run with your scenario fast moving jet scenario. What would you propose they do different, every day, as our policy?

I have a modest proposal. Allow no aircraft with any Muslim aboard to travel to or within the United States.

253 posted on 05/11/2005 2:25:03 PM PDT by thoughtomator ("One cannot say that a law is right simply because it is a law.")
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To: kristinn

http://kdka.com/local/local_story_131164058.html


254 posted on 05/11/2005 2:26:09 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: pa mom
LOL! Could you imagine if AQ started recruiting blue hairs in FL?

That is a scenario too fearful to contemplate...Al Queda Seniors from Florida. They can even use their AARP discounts to buy necessary equipment/ordnance on the cheap.
255 posted on 05/11/2005 2:27:46 PM PDT by hummingbird ("If it wasn't for the insomnia, I could have gotten some sleep!")
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To: HKMk23

LOL!!!!!


256 posted on 05/11/2005 2:28:36 PM PDT by hummingbird ("If it wasn't for the insomnia, I could have gotten some sleep!")
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Ah..so Smoketown is in the Lancaster area. Thanks, Dr.


257 posted on 05/11/2005 2:28:45 PM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: jsbankston
thus a private jet going 425 MPH would take less than 2 minutes from the moment it penetrated the perimeter to the time it reached or hit the White House.
Duh!

Can you say 'Patriot Missile Battery'?

Duh!

Patriot PAC-3
Air Defense System

Raytheon (USA)

Patriot Missile System provides defense of critical assets at the corps and theater level. It is designed to engage aircraft, cruise missiles and limited tactical ballistic missiles (TBMs). Such capabilities were introduced with the Patriot PAC-2 system upgrades, and more advanced PAC-3 missile, which introduces advanced antitactical missile capability.


258 posted on 05/11/2005 2:34:45 PM PDT by _Jim (<--- Ann C. and Rush L. speak on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: Frank_Discussion
I understand that, but I think no-nonsense no-fly zones and quick responses to violations thereof (a la today) are not any real restriction of movement. Besides, it's hard to get a 1966 Olds to more than about 3 feet altitude... ;)

Oh, I don't know about that! One could take one's vehicle to the guys at Monster Garage, and - voila! - you got a flying car...


259 posted on 05/11/2005 2:36:53 PM PDT by IonImplantGuru (Give me heaven... or a 637!)
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To: hummingbird

And God forbid if we start cutting down on entitlement progams -- that might give them motivation.


260 posted on 05/11/2005 2:39:26 PM PDT by soundandvision
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