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LIVE THREAD: UK Election Results (Update - Early Exit Polls Show Tory Upset)
BBC ^ | May 5, 2005 | anonymous

Posted on 05/05/2005 7:59:15 AM PDT by tellw

The Vote is under way!


TOPICS: Breaking News; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: blair; exitpolls; ukelection
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To: Canard
Worst analysis ever! No, wait, Rush Limburgh's was worse...

What was Rush saying?

2,341 posted on 05/06/2005 12:46:40 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: GiveEmDubya

Okay, doing some investigating...

Crawley, in the SE, is still open. Labor won it with 49% in 2001, Tories got 32% and LD's got 13%.

Harlow, in the East, is still open. Labor won it with 48% in 2001, Tories got 35% and LD's got 13%.

Wirral West, in the NW, is still open. Labor won it with 47% in 2001, Tories got 37%, LD's got 16%

Skipton & Ripon, in Yorkshire & Humberside, is still open. Tories won it with 52% in 2001, LD's got 26%, Labor got 17%.

Hexham, in the NE, is still open. Tories won it with 45% in 2001, Labor got 39%, LD's got 15%.

St. Ives, in the Southwest, is still open. LD's won it with 52% in 2001, Tories got 31% and Labor got 13%.

Berwick-Upon-Tweed, in the NE, is still open. LD's won it with 51% in 2001, Tories got 28%, Labor got 18%.

Argyll & Bute, in Scotland, is still open. LD's won it with 33%, Tories got 24%, Labor got 23%.


That identifies 8 out of the 9 that are still open. I still can't find the 9th one (which should be held by Tories). Given the 2001 numbers, it's doubtful any of those 8 are going to switch tonight... though the Torie's best chance of squeezing out one more would probably be in Wirral West. Definite long shot even there though.

Qwinn


2,342 posted on 05/06/2005 12:52:47 AM PDT by Qwinn
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To: ambrose
The differences between the Tories and Labour is more about class/social status than it is about actual real world positions.

Hmmmm, which reminds me that Maggie was a grocer's daughter. Maybe that was what allowed people to vote for her, when they wouldn't vote for a toff. Perhaps the Tories should run more grocerymen and middle-class candidates like her. Although Tony Blair has the upper-class accent, and Tony Benn was a Wedgewood headed for the peerage before he became a Red.

2,343 posted on 05/06/2005 1:00:16 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: flitton

It's been a good night for the Tories. I say a good night, but not a great night. What has appeared to have happened is that Labour has worn out its welcome.

Regards, Ivan


2,344 posted on 05/06/2005 1:13:52 AM PDT by MadIvan (One blog to bring them all...and in the Darkness bind them: http://www.theringwraith.com/)
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To: Howlin

Ping bump. Nothing like getting to the party after it's over. ;)


2,345 posted on 05/06/2005 2:04:16 AM PDT by G.Mason ( Because Free Republic obviously needed another opinionated big mouth ... Proud NRA member)
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To: BullsFan69; dighton

Just as long as he didn't call me a moistened bint. Moistened bint is right out.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have scimitars to lob.


2,346 posted on 05/06/2005 2:29:45 AM PDT by Watery Tart (Let the troof be toad. ®)
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To: watsonfellow
I would think that exit polls would be more accurate in the UK than the US.

Looks like they are not.

2,347 posted on 05/06/2005 3:41:50 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

Looks like their projections for Labour were spot on. Plus, Michael Howard stands down as leader of the Tories.


2,348 posted on 05/06/2005 4:58:41 AM PDT by Don'tMessWithTexas
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To: GiveEmDubya

The problem with adopting Thatcher's program is that she put it into place and got it done. Britain feared the unions in the early 1980s and would accept a strong hand against them; now they're neutered and starved, so tackling them further makes the Conservatives look irrelevant.

This is part and parcel of the real problem, which is that it's become impossible to impose Labour on their program and still represent a majority of Britons. Different story in the 1980s when Labour was a factional party and had no ambitions or rhetoric of serving the nation.


2,349 posted on 05/06/2005 5:10:45 AM PDT by HostileTerritory
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To: lentulusgracchus

"What was Rush saying?"

Apparantly that the exit polls showed a Tory victory (this was about 5 hours before the exit polls were released. It was mentioned in this thread about, err, 40 pages ago!


2,350 posted on 05/06/2005 5:40:11 AM PDT by Canard
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To: Non-Sequitur

"I would think that exit polls would be more accurate in the UK than the US.

Looks like they are not."

Explain?


2,351 posted on 05/06/2005 5:40:47 AM PDT by Canard
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To: MadIvan

"It's been a good night for the Tories. I say a good night, but not a great night. What has appeared to have happened is that Labour has worn out its welcome."

Totally agree. There were much worse scenarios that could have played out. On the other hand, there is little evidence that the Conservatives have attracted any new support overall. The main movement has been people voting anti-Labour which has been directly beneficial to the Lib Dems. The overall picture has resulted in a gain of seats to the Tories, but the share of the vote is hardly changed from the previous two elections which were viewed as disasters.

The task for the next leader is to use the greater Parliamentary base to develop a truly coherent and alternative programme to that which Labour offer, so that the electorate is actually offered a vivid choice next time.


2,352 posted on 05/06/2005 5:46:00 AM PDT by Canard
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To: GiveEmDubya; snugs; MadIvan; watsonfellow

Many thanks to all of you for helping us Americans understand the British elections. It was very interesting!

I'm glad the Tories did well, and share your dismay about the Lib Dems' gain in seats.


2,353 posted on 05/06/2005 5:55:37 AM PDT by JustaCowgirl (Joseph Biden, one of the Senate’s foremost authorities on taking himself seriously.)
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To: ScaniaBoy

I agree by the next election the Iraq issue will not be an issue for the student vote that it currently is therefore in student areas where Lib Dems won they will migrate back to labour letting Conservatives in through the back door.


2,354 posted on 05/06/2005 6:01:21 AM PDT by snugs (An English Cheney Chick - BIG TIME - Vote Conservative 5th May 2005)
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To: GiveEmDubya
Unfortunately it will as many believe Margret Thatcher started out great but towards the end went too far and believed that she was absolutely right on every issue and that is why they believe she was deposed many have forgotten the night of the long knives.
2,355 posted on 05/06/2005 6:06:58 AM PDT by snugs (An English Cheney Chick - BIG TIME - Vote Conservative 5th May 2005)
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To: ambrose
We are not hard core leftist just politically apathetic all the time it is going OK for each individual only when an individual is really affected like the winter of discontent will they demand change, Britain is notorious for being frightened of change.
2,356 posted on 05/06/2005 6:08:52 AM PDT by snugs (An English Cheney Chick - BIG TIME - Vote Conservative 5th May 2005)
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To: Howlin

Good to see Blair won. The Conservative Party candidate wanted to appease the thug terrorists and pull out of Iraq. But, I understand Blair is hanging by a thread as it is.


2,357 posted on 05/06/2005 6:09:27 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Don't hate me because I'm a player)
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To: lentulusgracchus

Michael Howard came from a similar background as Margret Thatcher and only attended local Grammar school.


2,358 posted on 05/06/2005 6:15:30 AM PDT by snugs (An English Cheney Chick - BIG TIME - Vote Conservative 5th May 2005)
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To: MadIvan

Indeed Ivan, I think Conservatives will win next time.


2,359 posted on 05/06/2005 6:16:15 AM PDT by snugs (An English Cheney Chick - BIG TIME - Vote Conservative 5th May 2005)
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To: JustaCowgirl

Thank you


2,360 posted on 05/06/2005 6:18:10 AM PDT by snugs (An English Cheney Chick - BIG TIME - Vote Conservative 5th May 2005)
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