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LIVE THREAD: UK Election Results (Update - Early Exit Polls Show Tory Upset)
BBC ^ | May 5, 2005 | anonymous

Posted on 05/05/2005 7:59:15 AM PDT by tellw

The Vote is under way!


TOPICS: Breaking News; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: blair; exitpolls; ukelection
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To: watsonfellow

The Tories would have to win 12 of the remaining 23 seats outside of Ireland to get to 200.

Assuming that the they have one in reserve (the by-election called because of the Lib Dem who died). That means they have to win eleven out of 22.

Let's knock out the Northern and Scottish seats.

It's not gonna happen.


2,301 posted on 05/05/2005 9:55:58 PM PDT by watsonfellow
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To: watsonfellow

All I know is that it took Labour 18 years to claw back into power after Thatcher booted them out. Last election should have been a time for rebounding, but as we all know, nothing happened and 2001 was virtually a copy of 1997. This is the first time the Tories have shown any signs of life in about a decade, so while it's not a romp back into power, it is something.

There is no question, however, that I am not a fan of a good number of Conservative MPs. I remember some of them actively supporting Kerry and I found that to be rather disturbing. The Ken Clarkes of the Conservative Party are nothing nearly conservative, and I think the squishiness of that element of the party has damaged their credibility on the whole. It is unreasonable to say, however, that the Tories have not taken some kind of step forward tonight. Anything's better than what they had before, and they made up some ground, especially in London.

Undoubtedly, there's a lot of dim bulbs in the voting booth. Here in the US, too. Heck, in some places, a Democrat could rob a bank on national television, say "it's for the children", and get 75% of the vote in his or her next election. I saw many tonight on the BBC saying things basically to the effect of "I voted Labour because I just did". I think in some ways, it says more about the electorate than the Conservative Party. Yes, the Conservatives have trouble finding a message and YES they should get back to their old ways, but we cannot avoid at least some blame on the electorate that refused to turf their unpopular PM.


2,302 posted on 05/05/2005 9:57:49 PM PDT by GiveEmDubya
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To: ScaniaBoy

Getting too tired to write properly now.

Time to go to bed.

See you all the 29th May for the referendum in France.


2,303 posted on 05/05/2005 9:58:22 PM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: Qwinn

The trend is currently for 195 right now.


2,304 posted on 05/05/2005 9:58:49 PM PDT by GiveEmDubya
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To: GiveEmDubya

Woohoo! Make it 196... Reading East just fell to the Tories :)

Qwinn


2,305 posted on 05/05/2005 10:03:58 PM PDT by Qwinn
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To: GiveEmDubya

OK everyone, my joints hurt, so here's one more update:

Conservatives gain Reading East from Labour

Lab 347 (-46)
Con 190 (+31)
LD 57 (+12)

PREDICT:
Lab 357
Con 196
LD 63
Others 12
Northern Ireland 18

Majority: 68


2,306 posted on 05/05/2005 10:06:25 PM PDT by GiveEmDubya
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To: GiveEmDubya
The Tories need start with this and work hard to win new people over to their ideas and way of thinking. Every country is different, and the road map toward creating more Conservatives will be different in the UK than it is in the US. Nevertheless, we're talking about a chess game where we go from one issue to the next, presenting ideas and solutions, and making sure to differentiate ourselves as conservatives, what it means to have conservative ideas, and why those ideas are superior. We US conservatives fight this fight daily, and the UK Tories will need to start doing the same thing. That's not to say they aren't, but now that you have made inroads it's important to build momentum when you can. There are only so many opportunities that arise, and this is a key one.

It's a new day, and a new Parliament. Tempus fugit.
2,307 posted on 05/05/2005 10:20:49 PM PDT by Windcatcher
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To: Windcatcher
Margaret Thatcher won back to back to back majorities on being nothing less than a hard-core conservative and would have undoubtedly kept going if those Euro-loving boobs didn't revolt against her. Like FReeper watsonfellow said correctly, that was the turning point in the Tories' electoral fortunes. It is entirely up to this new Conservative leadership to find a set of principles and stick to them. If they cannot, they will slip further back into the ditch. If they grow a collective spine and charge forward with a solid agenda, they will be rewarded at the ballot box.
2,308 posted on 05/05/2005 10:27:32 PM PDT by GiveEmDubya
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To: GiveEmDubya

Bah, they don't even have to "find a set of principles"... there was nothing wrong with Maggie's principles to begin with. They should publically apologize for what they did to her, and adopt her platform in toto from then on, perhaps reprioritizing immigration, etc., but otherwise run as the Thatcher party, as they should always have.

Qwinn


2,309 posted on 05/05/2005 10:29:18 PM PDT by Qwinn
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To: Qwinn
Well in recent years they'd be compelled to "find" a set of principles, since you couldn't tell if the post-collapse Tory party was coming or going on anything. Despite a decent improvement tonight, I'm still not sure. One thing's for sure: if they still embraced Thatcherism and formed a united front, somehow I don't think we'd be getting our jollies just by cheering them on for picking off a measely 31 seats.
2,310 posted on 05/05/2005 10:35:15 PM PDT by GiveEmDubya
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To: GiveEmDubya

They should start on a fight against the cockamamie EU Constitution .


2,311 posted on 05/05/2005 10:36:47 PM PDT by the Real fifi
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To: GiveEmDubya

So how is it going? Better than expected?


2,312 posted on 05/05/2005 10:37:45 PM PDT by Howlin (North Carolina, where beer kegs are registered and illegal aliens run free.)
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To: GiveEmDubya

yes.. but the UK was in a state of near utter ruin when she took over.. and her opponents were boobs.

Let's face it, most people are socialists at heart, and enjoy sucking on the government's teat. The differences between the Tories and Labour is more about class/social status than it is about actual real world positions.


2,313 posted on 05/05/2005 10:39:52 PM PDT by ambrose (....)
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To: Howlin

Well, at first it seemed as though a bit of a blue wave was going to crash into British politics, and the Tories DID make some solid gains, but will likely finish below 200 seats. Judging from the recent polls I had seen, however, Labour's majority is going to be smaller than expected (I had seen predictions ranging from 80-110). Labour has a projected majority of 68 right now.


2,314 posted on 05/05/2005 10:41:00 PM PDT by GiveEmDubya
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To: ambrose

I hope, for the Brits' sake, that it doesn't take the country being at the brink again for them to wake up.


2,315 posted on 05/05/2005 10:42:14 PM PDT by GiveEmDubya
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To: GiveEmDubya

Excellent, and thanks for taking the time to answer.


2,316 posted on 05/05/2005 10:43:25 PM PDT by Howlin (North Carolina, where beer kegs are registered and illegal aliens run free.)
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To: GiveEmDubya

It will have to take just that. The people of UK are hardcore leftists. They let hooligans run wild, and if you fight back, they'll throw you in jail. About the only good thing you can say is they've stuck by our side.


2,317 posted on 05/05/2005 10:46:30 PM PDT by ambrose (....)
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To: Howlin

No problem ;)


2,318 posted on 05/05/2005 10:47:18 PM PDT by GiveEmDubya
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To: Howlin
Labour HQ already discussing Blair's future.
2,319 posted on 05/05/2005 10:48:14 PM PDT by 1066AD
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To: GiveEmDubya

Check it out! Tories capture Ludlow from the LibDems!

Qwinn


2,320 posted on 05/05/2005 10:48:27 PM PDT by Qwinn
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