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DCF: Schiavo Not Abused Or Exploited
The Associated Press ^ | April 16, 2005

Posted on 04/16/2005 8:15:30 AM PDT by kingattax

TAMPA, Fla. -- State investigators found no evidence that Terri Schiavo had been abused or exploited by either side of her family, according to documents released by Florida's Department of Children and Families.

The agency investigated 89 complaints dating back to 2001, when Schiavo's feeding tube was removed for the first time and the legal battle surrounding her right-to-die case intensified.

The calls alleged that the brain-damaged woman was being mistreated by her husband and her parents for financial gain. One complaint alleged that Schiavo's parents were selling videos of her through a Web site; another said Schiavo's husband wasn't spending money intended for her rehabilitation.

But investigators said they found no evidence that either her husband or parents were exploiting her, and often noted in their records that they found Schiavo well cared for on their visits to her Pinellas Park hospice.

The agency released the records Friday under court order.

Schiavo, 41, died last month after her feeding tube was removed for the third time, ending a bitter court battle between her husband, Michael Schiavo, and parents, Robert and Mary Schindler, over whether she would have wanted to live in a vegetative state.

The repeated allegations of abuse were based partly on bone scans showing Terri Schiavo suffered fractures and statements she made to family and friends that she was unhappy in her marriage.

Schiavo's husband has denied harming his wife. His lawyer said the fractures resulted from osteoporosis caused by the woman's years of immobility and complications of her medication.

Robert Schindler declined to comment there on the release of the DCF documents. An attorney for Michael Schiavo did not immediately return calls


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To: Peach

Well...ice tea is made with...water.What's in ice tea that would produce this in Terri


202 posted on 04/16/2005 11:10:19 AM PDT by queenkathy (A day without sunshine is like, well, night)
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To: knowledgeforfreedom

You are correct. And a couple of doctors, Crawford?, said that Terri's EEG was the most severe he'd ever seen.

Also, patients who show no signs of consciousness after their eyes open usually fit the criteria for the vegetative state(VS).

Persistent vegetative state (PVS) is a prognostic term that refers to a chronic condition in which basic arousal (i.e., wakefulness) and life-sustaining functions (e.g., respiration, blood pressure) are generally intact, despite the absence of behavioral signs of meaningful interaction with the environment. The American Academy of Neurology recently adopted the position that the VS should be termed "persistent" at 1 month, and considered "permanent" after 3 months following non traumatic causes of unconsciousness and after 12 months following traumatic injury [27]. However, rare exceptions to this have been cited. Merck
The longest documented is 3 years.


203 posted on 04/16/2005 11:10:35 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever killed or captured.)
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To: queenkathy

Ice tea has caffeine. And caffeine lowers your electrolytes (sp?) and potassium.

After moving south 7 years ago, we were lectured ad naseum by our doctor about drinking enough water and not much caffeine.

My dad had a stroke after working outside in the heat and drinking too much coffee. His electrolytes and potassium were way off as were other things, of course.


204 posted on 04/16/2005 11:12:00 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever killed or captured.)
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To: queenkathy
Yep there have been several articles about people drinking too much water and getting into trouble.

Especially last summer.

205 posted on 04/16/2005 11:12:15 AM PDT by Freedom Dignity n Honor
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To: Peach; MHGinTN

Hey Peach, I'm just now reading Wolfson's report that you referenced. Are you deliberately ignoring Pearse's sworn testimony about Michael's hearsay testimony that Terri didn't want to remain in a vegetative state, and that he was "...necessarily adversely affected by the obvious financial benefit to him of being the sole heir at law..." and "...specifically referencing Michael's change in position relative to maintaining Theresa following the malpractice award."

This is in the body of the report that you posted as the primary source of your position. Do you believe the sworn testimony of the Guardian Ad Litem, Pearse, when he recommended that the feeding tube be kept in place, or are you being deliberately disingenuous?!?!

You're all over the map here.


206 posted on 04/16/2005 11:12:29 AM PDT by ColoCdn (Neco eos omnes, Deus suos agnoset)
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To: conservlib

Nope. We DON'T KNOW for sure about how Terri got in the shape she was that night that it happened. I've learned the hard way over the years that sometimes a thing can look awful much like it's one thing, when in reality it's another. That can work either way, though. - I just simply don't like Mikey for his sudden memory spurt seven years into the deal and right after the big malpractice settlement paid FOR TERRI'S REHABILITATION, and then in the face of his own common law setup plus two kids with another woman to relentlessly pursue the killing of Terri in spite of her parents' passionate offer to take over Terri's care. It LOOKED LIKE he was afraid he was going to lose out, or worse, if he lost CONTROL . If there are no books or movies coming from Felos and Mikey, I'll be really surprised at Mikey's display of discretion and complete selflessness. IF Mikey had insisted from Day 1 that Terri "didn't want to live like this", it would have looked better for him. As it is, he looks pretty much like a probable cruel, greedy "Felos Flunky".

IF OR WHEN you see a book on the shelf at your nearest Walmart with either Mikey or Felos' big lovable mugs on the cover or a poignant made for tv movie advertised on CBS, remember this.


207 posted on 04/16/2005 11:12:36 AM PDT by Twinkie (With God all things are possible. Yay!)
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To: kingattax
WAIT A MINUTE..............

The major charges of ABUSE were MADE WAY BEFORE TERRI was EVER slapped into a HOSPICE DEATH HOUSE In HOPES SHE WOULD DIE?

WHAT ABOUT THE ABUSE OF SIMPLY BEING PUT ILLEGALLY IN A HOSPICE??????

WHAT ABOUT THAT??????????????????????

WHY WAS A HEALTHY WOMAN WITH A BRAIN DISABILITY PUT, ILLEGALLY IN A HOUSE OF DEATH WERE EVERY PATIENT IS SUPPOSED TO HAVE SIX MONTHS OR LESS TO LIVE?

WHAT ABOUT THAT?

WHAT ABOUT THAT AS ABUSE?

WHAT ABOUT IT????

And what about Charles LaBelle, who investigated early claims of abuse by michael the monster, said that he could NEVER FINISH ANY INVESTIGATION REGARDING TERRI BEcAUSE MICHAEL SCHIAVO NEVER< EVER< NEVER ALLOWED any investigator ACCESS TO TERRI?????????

THE THEN SHERIFF OF PINELLAS COUNTY.....one SHERIFF RICE, a buddy of GREER, a CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTOR OF GREER, A MAN WHO WORKED WITH MICHAEL SCHIAVO's CONCUBINE's MOTHER, FOR 20 YEARS..............ALWAYS STOPPED ANY CALL FOR INVESTIGATION!

THE ABUSE COMPLAINTS WERE LEVELED WAY BEFORE THE YEAR 2000..............AND GREER KNOWS THIS........

SOMEONE HAS GOT TO GET LABELLE TO COME FORWARD..............

208 posted on 04/16/2005 11:12:58 AM PDT by Republic (Our Father in Heaven touched the Pope, who KNEW of Terri, Terri got her mass, VATICAN STYLE!)
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To: kingattax

I am much more interested in any abuse that occurred prior to 1999. I see that was excluded from examination.


209 posted on 04/16/2005 11:14:02 AM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: ColoCdn

I read that and know what you are referring to.

I also read the parts in the WOlfson report that you are ignoring.

That MS provided excellent care for Terri. So good that nurses were intimidated by him because he was so demanding.

I read that report over a month ago but believe it's Wolfson's report that also references the gruesome testimony of the parents that even if Terri woke up and said that she didn't want to be kept alive, they would keep her alive. They also testified to this under oath.

They also testified that if she needed multiple amputations because of poor circulation and diabetes, they would keep her alive.

It was also the Wolfson report, wasn't it? that mentioned that MS offered to give up any future benefit from money left in Terri's court controlled account from the malpractice suit. An offer the Schindlers never took up because it wouldn't give them the conspiracy theory that he was just wanting her dead for money.

It was either the Wolfson report or the 2002 court testimony.


210 posted on 04/16/2005 11:15:42 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever killed or captured.)
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To: Peach
Noted..no reply to post #159.

If you could find an MD to diagnose ANYONE as a "veggie" would you advocate killing them?

Even the children pictured?

211 posted on 04/16/2005 11:19:16 AM PDT by Earthdweller (US descendant of French Protestants ....Terri Schiavo, "Where there's life, there's hope.")
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To: MHGinTN

This is how I feel about it.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1377502/posts


212 posted on 04/16/2005 11:21:13 AM PDT by pickyourpoison (" Laus Deo ")
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To: Earthdweller

We aren't talking about anyone.

We are talking about this case. And the unsourced, unverified rumors that some freepers prefer to believe vs. court testimony.

But nice try at diversion.


213 posted on 04/16/2005 11:22:07 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever killed or captured.)
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To: Peach

"It was also the Wolfson report, wasn't it? that mentioned that MS offered to give up any future benefit from money left in Terri's court controlled account from the malpractice suit. An offer the Schindlers never took up because it wouldn't give them the conspiracy theory that he was just wanting her dead for money."

Prior to the revision of GAL Wolfson's report, was the prior GAL Pearces' report, chronologically closer to the actual events of Michael Schiavo's change-of-heart.

I'll stick with what Pearce said while he (Pearce) was 'testifying under oath'. And that was that Michael was not believable - all this from 1997, right around the time that Michael 'remembered' Terri's 'wishes', the 'wishes' that the Greer Reaper leaned upon so heavily in order to justify starving, and dehydrating her to death.

Pearce is the man for me.


214 posted on 04/16/2005 11:25:33 AM PDT by ColoCdn (Neco eos omnes, Deus suos agnoset)
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To: Peach
"We aren't talking about anyone..."

Talk about a Freudian slip..So Terri isn't, correction wasn't "anyone", just a cause for debate.

K......

That pretty much clears up your position here.

215 posted on 04/16/2005 11:27:17 AM PDT by Earthdweller (US descendant of French Protestants ....Terri Schiavo, "Where there's life, there's hope.")
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To: Earthdweller
If you could find an MD to diagnose ANYONE as a "veggie" would you advocate killing them?

Nice try. I was quoting YOU! LOL

216 posted on 04/16/2005 11:28:47 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever killed or captured.)
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To: Peach
Nice try..but you still avoided the question.

Would you advocate the killing of any disabled person labeled a "veggie" by an MD even if they are connected with the Euthanasia movement?

This debate does have implications for lots of people across the board including children.

217 posted on 04/16/2005 11:32:27 AM PDT by Earthdweller (US descendant of French Protestants ....Terri Schiavo, "Where there's life, there's hope.")
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To: ColoCdn

Pearce who also thought she was PVS (as did all her GALs and her parents and doctors)? Nothing wrong with liking him. He just wasn't as far away from the other GAL reports as you think.


218 posted on 04/16/2005 11:32:36 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever killed or captured.)
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To: Peach
"her wishes" ?????

so you, just like greer, are perfectly content to accept ONLY the "word" of mikey schiavo and his brother and sister-in-law that this is PROOF of what terri would want.

please make sure that you and people like you never are on a jury in any case involving me or someone i care about...thanks

219 posted on 04/16/2005 11:34:37 AM PDT by kingattax
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To: Earthdweller

You can keep trying any way you wish.

But I've made it clear that I'm talking about this case right now. Not other cases and that I haven't researched and where there is little information to go on but your portrayal of them.

My primary concern has been stated repeatedly, but not believed, because some new freepers prefer to shout and scream instead. That's a pity.


220 posted on 04/16/2005 11:36:17 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever killed or captured.)
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