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Baptist church 'fake pope' sign attracting attention, criticism (Pope Bound for Hell).
Knoxville News-Sentinel Co. ^ | April 13, 2005 | JEANNINE F. HUNTER

Posted on 04/14/2005 12:00:51 PM PDT by Dean Baker

Baptist church 'fake pope' sign attracting attention, criticism By JEANNINE F. HUNTER, hunter@knews.com April 13, 2005

NEWPORT, Tenn. - Two days after being posted, a church marquee message that questions the purpose of the papacy is still attracting attention in this small community.

"What I am trying to do is to let people know there's only one way to heaven through Jesus Christ," said the Rev. Cline Franklin, pastor of Hilltop Baptist Church. "There's no need for help. God sent his son, Jesus Christ. We're all priests if we're saved. I don't need to go to anybody else to pray."

The sign's side facing Broadway, the main thoroughfare in Newport, reads, "No truth, No hope Following a hell-bound pope!" On the other side, facing the church parking lot, it reads: "False hope in a fake pope."

The message appeared days after Pope John Paul II's funeral last week.

"It is unfortunate when it comes from within the Christian church. It's really sad," said the Rev. Dan Whitman, 54, pastor of Newport's Good Shepherd Catholic parish and Holy Trinity parish in Jefferson City. "You learn how to deal with it and pray not to be that way yourself."

It does not reflect mainstream Baptist thought, said Dr. Merrill "Mel" Hawkins, associate professor of religion and director of the Center for Baptist Studies at Carson-Newman College in Jefferson City.

"When you see signs like that, they are almost like relics or artifacts of a bygone era," Hawkins said.

He spoke about animus between Protestants and Catholics persisting after the Protestant Reformation and for centuries, during which "harsh things were said, couched within misperceptions, misunderstandings."

Among the major misperceptions is that Catholics "venerate the pope on the same level as Jesus," Hawkins said, and that "the pope is connected to their salvation in place of Jesus Christ."

Catholics make up about 12 percent of the population in the South.

"Catholics are a minority faith in the South, and there's often bias toward minority religious communities because people don't understand," he said.

James Gaddis, a lay speaker who also chairs the board at First United Methodist Church, said he had not seen the sign but had heard about it.

"I understand that it's very degrading," he said. "I think it's tragic that any church group would stoop to this posture."

Following Tuesday night's council meeting, Newport Mayor Roland Dykes Jr. said he was a little saddened by the message.

"It doesn't behoove any of us to determine who is going to heaven or hell. I think the pope is a highly, highly respected person," he said.

Franklin's church is a five-year-old independent Baptist church. When asked what the message meant, he said: "What does 'pope' mean? It means father. We have a heavenly father, and the Bible says we shall call no man a father. "

He said people have been driving by or taking pictures or calling to share their views. He said the intent was not to offend Catholics and people are misunderstanding the sign.

Copyright 2005, Knoxville News-Sentinel Co.


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I did a search for this but didn't find it.

I'm wondering (No flame wars, please? Just honest discussion)...

I've seen conversations where those who are "Born Again" (Pardon me if I'm not using the correct term), consider Catholics and other religious people "Bound for Hell" because they don't worship correctly.

How widespread are these beleifs? If at all??

1 posted on 04/14/2005 12:00:51 PM PDT by Dean Baker
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That's distasteful seeing as it's after the pope's death.


2 posted on 04/14/2005 12:01:57 PM PDT by LauraleeBraswell ( We must stand behind TOM DELAY!)
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To: Dean Baker

Ive been told right here in the Forum that I'm going to hell because I don't attend church.


3 posted on 04/14/2005 12:03:03 PM PDT by cripplecreek (I'm apathetic but really don't care.)
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To: LauraleeBraswell

Agreed. But it looks like that they could only make their point "After" his death?


4 posted on 04/14/2005 12:03:17 PM PDT by Dean Baker
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To: Dean Baker

My father-in-law is a pastor. I never heard him say such a thing. But, his impetus is teaching faith based upon the word of God.


5 posted on 04/14/2005 12:03:28 PM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife (" It is not true that life is one damn thing after another-it's one damn thing over and over." ESV)
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" He said the intent was not to offend Catholics and people are misunderstanding the sign."

Your nose is growing.

As one with no dog in this fight, I have to laugh at this. He's either a liar or an idiot if he didn't look at those sentiments and think "Catholics will be offended." That he went ahead and let the sign stand, anyway, shows his intentions quite plainly.

6 posted on 04/14/2005 12:03:36 PM PDT by Darkwolf (Yankee Agnostic Free-Speech Advocate)
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"We have a heavenly father, and the Bible says we shall call no man a father."

I refer to my dad as my father. Guess I'm hell-bound. Wheee!

7 posted on 04/14/2005 12:04:01 PM PDT by general_re ("Frantic orthodoxy is never rooted in faith, but in doubt." - Reinhold Niebuhr)
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To: LauraleeBraswell

Not only distateful, but Biblically incorrect.

Surely they know (as well as anyone) that this Pope accepted Christ as his Lord and savior.

Rather silly.


8 posted on 04/14/2005 12:04:01 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan
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To: Dean Baker



The pope is a religiouse leader and example for all Christians. You don't have to be Catholic to admire him and his faith.


9 posted on 04/14/2005 12:04:25 PM PDT by LauraleeBraswell ( We must stand behind TOM DELAY!)
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To: Dean Baker

"My Jesus is better than your Jesus!"

Honestly, with some people, no one is better than they are.


10 posted on 04/14/2005 12:04:30 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Oh Lord help me this day to keep my big mouth shut)
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To: Dean Baker
When asked what the message meant, he said: "What does 'pope' mean? It means father. We have a heavenly father, and the Bible says we shall call no man a father. "

Taken to its logical conclusion, wouldn't this prevent a person from calling his own father "father"?
11 posted on 04/14/2005 12:04:42 PM PDT by babyface00
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To: Dean Baker

Just peruse the Religion Forum "debates."

Don't you know? Everybody that doesn't think the exact same way you do is going to spend eternity wearing brimstone britches.


12 posted on 04/14/2005 12:05:06 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (I'm an "outraged moralist" and I have no good argument. I'm headed to Marie Callender's.)
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To: Dean Baker
I've seen conversations where those who are "Born Again" (Pardon me if I'm not using the correct term), consider Catholics ...

Catholics consider themselves to be born again as well.

13 posted on 04/14/2005 12:05:12 PM PDT by gridlock (ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES)
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To: Dean Baker

"What I am trying to do is to let people know there's only one way to heaven through Jesus Christ," said the Rev. Cline Franklin, pastor of Hilltop Baptist Church.

Then you aren't needed, either, Pastor.

Write when you get work.


14 posted on 04/14/2005 12:05:17 PM PDT by Adder (Can we bring back stoning again? Please?)
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To: Dean Baker

I'm evangelical and this makes me sick.

I hope this isn't widespread, unfortunetly many protestants are ignorant about Catholicism.

While I have some theological differences, I don't assert who and who is not going to hell. I know how to get to heaven, through Jesus Christ, but other than saying that I'm not able to assert who have accepted Christ and who has not.

Calling the Pope hell-bound while millions mourn is not 'loving your neighbor as yourself' as Christ commanded.

It's disgusting.


15 posted on 04/14/2005 12:05:28 PM PDT by FreepinforTerri (Send Attorney George J. Felos Rebukes via Email. His email is proofg@aol.com)
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To: Dean Baker

Here's a link to a picture of the sign is someone who knows how to do it can post it...

http://wate.static.worldnow.com/images/3195806_BG1.jpg


16 posted on 04/14/2005 12:05:45 PM PDT by Dean Baker
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To: Dean Baker
Bump
To read later
17 posted on 04/14/2005 12:05:46 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Dean Baker; Lil'freeper

Another example of bigoted so called "Christians".


18 posted on 04/14/2005 12:05:46 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." Pope JPII)
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To: NYer; Salvation; narses; sinkspur; CouncilofTrent

Oh you have just GOT to see this one.


19 posted on 04/14/2005 12:06:03 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Oh Lord help me this day to keep my big mouth shut)
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To: Dean Baker

As a Lutheran, I have objections with the Catholic Church's theology. That said, I wonder who died and made the Rev. Franklin God?


20 posted on 04/14/2005 12:06:24 PM PDT by WinOne4TheGipper (What're you looking at?)
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