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Millions Bid Farewell to Pope at Funeral
Yahoo News ^ | April 8, 2005 | Victor Simpson

Posted on 04/08/2005 6:03:35 AM PDT by NYer

VATICAN CITY - Presidents, prime ministers and kings joined pilgrims and prelates in St. Peter's Square on Friday to bid farewell to Pope John Paul II at a funeral service that drew millions to Rome for one of the largest religious gatherings of modern times.

Applause rang out as John Paul's simple wooden coffin adorned with a cross and an "M" for Mary was brought out from St. Peter's Basilica and placed on a carpet in front of the altar. The book of the Gospel was placed on the coffin and the wind lifted the pages.

The Vatican's Sistine Choir sang the Gregorian chant, "Grant Him Eternal Rest, O Lord," and the service got under way. Cardinals wearing white miters walked onto the square, their red vestments blowing in the breeze.

Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, dean of the College of Cardinals, a close confidant of John Paul and a possible successor, presided at the Mass and referred to him as our "late beloved pope" in a homily that traced the pontiff's life from his days as a factory worker in Nazi-occupied Poland to his final days as the head of the world's 1 billion Catholics.

Interrupted by applause at least 10 times, the usually unflappable German-born Ratzinger choked up as he recalled one of John Paul's last public appearances — when he blessed the faithful from his studio window on Easter.

"We can be sure that our beloved pope is standing today at the window of the father's house, that he sees us and blesses us," he said to applause, even among the prelates, as he pointed up to the third-floor window above the square.

"Today we bury his remains in the earth as a seed of immortality — our hearts are full of sadness, yet at the same time of joyful hope and profound gratitude," Ratzinger said in heavily accented Italian.

He said John Paul was a "priest to the last" and said he had offered his life for God and his flock "especially amid the sufferings of his final months."

Ratzinger was interrupted again toward the end of the Mass by several minutes of cheers, rhythmic applause and shouts of "Giovanni Paolo Santo" or "Saint John Paul," from the crowd.

At the beginning of the Mass, Ratzinger prayed for God to "grant your servant and our pope, John Paul II, who in the love of Christ led your church, to share with the flock entrusted to him the reward promised to the faithful ministers of the Gospel."

After the 2 1/2-hour Mass, the body will be carried deep under the basilica, where it will join the remains of popes from throughout the ages near the traditional tomb of the apostle Peter, the first pope.

John Paul requested in his last will and testament to be buried "in the bare earth," and his body will be laid to rest under the floor of the grotto below the basilica. His tomb will be covered with a flat stone bearing his name and the dates of his birth and death. Pilgrims will eventually be able to visit.

At least 300,000 people filled St. Peter's Square and spilled out onto the wide Via della Conciliazione leading toward the Tiber River, but millions of others watched on giant video screens set up across Rome. Banners read "Santo Subito," or "Sainthood Immediately."

Earlier, groggy pilgrims who had camped out on the cobblestones awoke in their sleeping bags to hordes of the faithful stepping over them as they tried to secure a good spot to view the Mass.

The square and the boulevard leading to it were a sea of red and white flags waved by pilgrims from John Paul's beloved Poland, many in traditional dress shouting "Polska! Polska!" Pilgrims from other countries raised their national flags in the crowd — American, Lebanese, Spanish, Croatian — and prayers were read out during the Mass in a host of languages — French, Swahili, Portuguese, among others.

"We just wanted to say goodbye to our father for the last time," said Joanna Zmijewsla, 24, who traveled for 30 hours with her brother from a town near Kielce, Poland, arriving at St. Peter's at 1 a.m. Friday.

American Archbishop James Harvey, head of papal protocol, greeted dignitaries and religious leaders as they emerged onto the steps of the basilica. Many shook Harvey's hand and offered condolences before mingling and taking their appointed seats.

 

Turbans, fezzes, yarmulkes, black lace veils, or mantillas, joined the "zucchettos," or skull caps, of Catholic prelates on the steps of St. Peter's in an extraordinary mix of religious and government leaders from around the world.

"I'm here because I'm a believer but also to live a moment in history," said Stephan Aubert, wearing a French flag draped over his shoulders.

Bells tolled as the final leaders took their places on red-cushioned wooden seats. Ten minutes before the scheduled start of the funeral, the U.S. delegation arrived, headed by President Bush, and including his father, former President George H.W. Bush, and former President Bill Clinton.

President Bush sat on the aisle in the second row, next to his wife, Laura. Beside them were French President Jacques Chirac and his wife, Bernadette. The two presidents shook hands.

Vatican ushers dressed in white tie and tails seated dignitaries who were given a chance to view John Paul's body before it was carried out of the basilica — where it has lain in state since Monday — and into the square.

Rome itself was at a standstill. Just after midnight Thursday, a ban took effect on vehicle traffic in the city center. Airspace was closed, and anti-aircraft batteries outside the city were on alert. Naval ships patrolled both the Mediterranean coast and the Tiber River near Vatican City, the tiny sovereign city-state encompassed by the Italian capital.

Italian authorities took extraordinary precautions to protect the royalty and heads of state or government attending the funeral.

Elite Carabinieri paramilitary police armed with automatic rifles were stationed at virtually every major intersection in Rome to minimize the threat of a terrorist attack on the more than 80 heads of state and monarchs attending the Mass.

Combat jets from Italy's air force, joined by an AWACS surveillance plane deployed by NATO, guarded against any strike from above on the leaders and top Roman Catholic prelates assembled on St. Peter's Square. Italian security agencies posted snipers on rooftops, and a navy warship armed with torpedoes cruised the coastline near Rome. Anti-aircraft rocket launchers were placed strategically around the capital.

Jewish and Muslim leaders were among the dignitaries from more than 80 countries, including the presidents of Syria and Iran, and the king of Jordan.

The pope's death on Saturday at age 84 has elicited a remarkable outpouring of affection around the world and brought an estimated 4 million people to Rome, doubling its population. Most of the pilgrims, however, can only hope to see the ceremony on giant TV screens that have been erected around the Vatican and in piazzas around Rome.

In Krakow, Poland, where John Paul studied for the priesthood, about 800,000 people watched the funeral on three TV screens set up in a field. Many had spent the night around bonfires after a Thursday night Mass drew a million people.

Sirens wailed in Warsaw for three minutes to announce the start of the funeral to the Polish capital. Some 25,000 people packed Pilsudski Square where the pope celebrated Mass during his first visit to his homeland as pope, and another 2,000 gathered in the Old Town in front of St. Ann's Church to watch the funeral on huge screens.

The faithful gathered in the Philippines, Vietnam and elsewhere to watch the service on television or to pray for John Paul. An overflow crowd of about 7,000 worshippers filled Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris.

John Paul's funeral began with an intimate ceremony attended only by high-ranking prelates, who placed a pouch of silver and bronze medals and a scrolled account of his life in his coffin.

His longtime private secretary, Archbishop Stanislaw Dziwisz, and the master of the liturgical ceremonies, Archbishop Piero Marini, placed a white silk veil over the pope's face before the coffin was closed.

Dziwisz was seen weeping at several occasions during the Mass.

The Vatican released John Paul's last will and testament on the eve of the funeral. Penned in Polish over 22 years, beginning five months after his election in October 1978, he gave instructions for his burial and also told his private secretary to burn his personal notes upon his death.

He also suggested he considered resigning in 2000, when his infirmities were already apparent. Revising his will just three days before a historic pilgrimage to the Holy Land, John Paul prayed that God would "help me to recognize up to what point I must continue this service."

On Thursday, the huge bronze doors of St. Peter's were closed to the public in preparation for the Mass. In four days, some estimates say nearly 2 million pilgrims passed by his bier to pay their last respects.

Rome groaned under the weight of visitors. Side streets were clogged in a permanent pedestrian rush hour, mostly by kids with backpacks. Tent camps sprang up at the Circus Maximus and elsewhere around the city to take the spillover from hotels. Hawkers jacked up prices of everything from bottled water to papal trinkets.


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To: CitizenM

A commentator on Fox said the other day that when Pope John Paul II went to Cuba and met with Castro, it was, well, he said, about as close as he'd ever seen Castro looking like he wanted to go to confession.

"What will happen when Castro dies? When reality reaches them they will go bezerk with confusion."

From things the Bush administration have said over his term in office about Cuba, it sounds to me like our government has been addressing the situation in Cuba for some time, for this very contingency, and that we don't plan to stand idly by and let cruelty rise up at the top unopposed. How, you say? I don't know. I just have gotten that impression.


41 posted on 04/08/2005 11:10:08 AM PDT by GretchenM (Dispense true justice and practice kindness and compassion to one another. Zech.7:9)
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To: Darkwolf377
Well, Latin isn't exactly a mysterious code, and many Catholics know a lot of church Latin anyway ... the parts you don't know you can read from a book. People who speak Italian or Spanish are about 70% of the way to knowing Latin already.

Latin has a couple of nice advantages. One is that it's no nations' language, so it's neutral and the same everywhere. Back when the Mass was in Latin everywhere a Catholic from Chicago could walk into a Mass in Tokyo and be completely at home. Now that same Catholic can't walk into a Mass in Montreal and know it by heart.

The other is that Latin is dead enough not to change ... a document written in Latin 1500 years ago is as intelligible as one written yesterday. (English didn't even exist 1500 years ago, and English 1100 years ago would be easier for someone who spoke German or Dutch to understand than for you or I.)

42 posted on 04/08/2005 11:13:24 AM PDT by Campion
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To: NYer

Is anyone replaying the mass?


43 posted on 04/08/2005 11:15:01 AM PDT by vidbizz
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To: OriginalChristian

Ummmnhhh..yup. I know it is always permissible.

But sometimes one has to work a bit to get priests to USE Latin.


44 posted on 04/08/2005 11:16:12 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: Campion

Thanks for the response.


45 posted on 04/08/2005 11:22:36 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (I'm posting less and less in the last few weeks)
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To: Darkwolf377

The Latin was printed on one page, and the English translation was on the facing-page in handheld Missals which most Catholics used all the time.

Thanks for your question. Please don't take this the wrong way--but the "pragmatic" emphasis of putting the Mass into 'understandable' language misses the point.

The Mass transcends time and space; it is the eternal and universal Sacrifice of Christ, cosmic worship(rather than Temple-bound.)

When you look at it that way, "understandability" is irrelevant (although not ignored.) Sorta like a Bach Cello sonata; we like it, but we're unable to say precisely why. Is it the key signature? The particular rhythm? The particular resonant tones above and below the one which is sounded?

I read a very erudite analysis of certain musical passages from the Britten War Requiem, analyzing the scale-forms utilized, etc., etc. half-to-death. STILL didn't understand exactly why the particular passage was so hauntingly beautiful--but I did know how it was constructed.

Same principle, different object with the Mass.

Finally, before the printing press, (and radio/TV/the 'net, et al) most people knew what all that Latin meant by rote, even if they were Germans. It was handed-down, just like the Torah and the Odyssey.


46 posted on 04/08/2005 11:25:58 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: vidbizz

Right NOW on EWTN.


47 posted on 04/08/2005 11:27:00 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: Campion

The irony with Latin is that it was the soken language of the primary persecutors of the early Church. Ultimately of course the Church prevailed, however I find it ironic that the language of the persecutors was determined to be the official language of the Church.

Addressing the dead language acknowledgement; back in the old days it wasn't a dead language.

I don't know if I'd be a Catholic today if the mass was still REQUIRED to be said in Latin. I'm personally glad I don't have to make that choice. The vernacular is perfectly suited for complete understanding and active participation by the faithful.

I do feel we have weakened catechesis and are far too tolerant of liberals within the Church. Their pulpit seems to be the voice of Catholicism to the world, and that is both unfortunate and disingenuous.


48 posted on 04/08/2005 11:35:15 AM PDT by OriginalChristian (Pope St. John Paul the Great, I like the sound of that...)
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To: fatnotlazy

They didn't go - the Vatican wouldn't take them, and they couldn't find space as private citizens.

No photos of the idiot libs - and since Bush took Klin-ton with him, they can't even complain.


49 posted on 04/08/2005 11:35:25 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: ninenot
Thanks for the info.

"the "pragmatic" emphasis of putting the Mass into 'understandable' language misses the point. The Mass transcends time and space; it is the eternal and universal Sacrifice of Christ, cosmic worship(rather than Temple-bound.) "

OK, but if it transcends time and space, why can't it be put in ANY language and retain its character?

"When you look at it that way, "understandability" is irrelevant (although not ignored.) Sorta like a Bach Cello sonata; we like it, but we're unable to say precisely why. Is it the key signature? The particular rhythm? The particular resonant tones above and below the one which is sounded?"

Apples and oranges. You can't translate notes into words; you can translate words into words.

"I read a very erudite analysis of certain musical passages from the Britten War Requiem, analyzing the scale-forms utilized, etc., etc. half-to-death. STILL didn't understand exactly why the particular passage was so hauntingly beautiful--but I did know how it was constructed."

Well, that's fine, but music is not about communicating a didactic message; language is.

"Same principle, different object with the Mass. Finally, before the printing press, (and radio/TV/the 'net, et al) most people knew what all that Latin meant by rote, even if they were Germans. It was handed-down, just like the Torah and the Odyssey."

I suspect the Odyssey wouldn't mean much to anyone if the readers did not understand the language. Stories passed from generation to generation in language that was understood, obviously; if the mass is going to mean something to the audience, they have to understand the language--that's obvious from the translations provided. A previous poster mentioned that someone could go to a Latin mass in the US or elsewhere and get the same Mass, but what if that church doesn't have a translation in HIS language?

The obvious answer is he doesn't need a translation to know the same mass is being said...but that's the same sitation as one going into a mass in English or one in French--someone who speaks Japanese doesn't need to understand either to know he's hearing the same mass. And if there are slight imperfections in translation, well, you said yourself the Mass transcends time and space, right?

Thanks again for the info.

50 posted on 04/08/2005 11:38:23 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (I'm posting less and less in the last few weeks)
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To: Darkwolf377
A previous poster mentioned that someone could go to a Latin mass in the US or elsewhere and get the same Mass, but what if that church doesn't have a translation in HIS language?

Most of it doesn't change. Someone who has years of experience with it doesn't need a translation anymore.

but that's the same sitation as one going into a mass in English or one in French--someone who speaks Japanese doesn't need to understand either to know he's hearing the same mass.

Sure, but I don't know the words in Japanese. I do know many of them in Latin.

51 posted on 04/08/2005 11:43:01 AM PDT by Campion
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To: Darkwolf377

In addition to the comments above, I would add that the Latin Mass has a majesty and an intangible but perceivable connection to the ancient past. This is an institution that goes back almost 2000 years - few human institutions can claim that. When the Mass is celebrated in contemporary tongues, what it gains in comprehensibility it loses in solemnity and the indefinable quality that separates the Mass from a random prayer service. (No disrespect to anyone intended.)


52 posted on 04/08/2005 11:43:13 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Darkwolf377

"How come...[any] language...?"

You are right of course--except that in the RC Church, Latin is the 'sacral' language, like Hebrew in the synagogue, and Old Slavonic in the Russian Orthodox.

"Notes..notes/words...words"

Wrong. Languages are not easily translatable, as most folks understand. While A translation is available, it may not be THE, or the BEST translation. That's the utility of using Latin--


53 posted on 04/08/2005 12:04:48 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: Spktyr

Boy was the loveliness and solemnity of the Mass clear at the Pope's funeral...it was so lovely...


54 posted on 04/08/2005 12:05:47 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Spktyr

You touch on "sacred time/sacred space/sacred language" which has been sorely lacking in Western liturgy for about, oh, 30 years.

Just a co-incidence, of course.


55 posted on 04/08/2005 12:06:18 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: NYer

Great homily by Card. Ratzinger.


56 posted on 04/08/2005 12:06:22 PM PDT by marshmallow
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To: All

My brother was an altar boy for a few years prior to Vatican II when the language of the Mass was converted to English. I was a couple of years younger than my brother, but I was at an age when everything I heard, I would repeat. So while he was learning the Latin Mass, I learned it too. I'm amazed at how much of it I still remember almost 50 years later.

I don't believe there are any churches in my neck of the woods which have Latin Masses anymore. At one point, there was a church which conducted Masses in Latin, but it was disowned (if that's what you would call it) by the local diocese. In fact, the diocese went to great lengths to advertise that this church did not belong to the diocese. I'm not sure the church is still in existence anymore. Too bad. Latin is a great language. One advantage is that it's the basis of Italian, French and Spanish...if you know Latin, you can learn the other languages fairly easily.


57 posted on 04/08/2005 12:14:09 PM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: ninenot

Don't get me wrong, the contemporary Mass is certainly useful in attracting and retaining members; I don't advocate the return to all Masses being in Latin. However, I think it should be used on high holy days such as Easter or Christmas, and for solemn rites such as baptisms, weddings, and funerals. I think the pendulum of "language accomodation" has swung a wee bit too far.

In the end, the Church should speak to the world with one voice, and that voice should be Latin.


58 posted on 04/08/2005 12:19:46 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Darkwolf377
Your post reminded me of a good friend I had as a child, who asked me why operas weren't all sung in English--and I answered (with my own childish insight) that just because you don't know the words does not mean you cannot understand what is going on. I think she was talking about Verdi's Il Travatore--which I came to love (mostly because my parents played it alot and it, like all good music should, it really "grew" on me.) My answer made sense to her, and I think we both realized that music has a universality to it that transcends language barriers.

BTW, my father was a Father--for ten years until he left the priesthood to marry my mother. He went to the Catholic University of America and back in the early 60's, I got to go to DC and see his ordination picture hanging in the Shrine of the Immaculate Conception. When I was little, my father would recite, along with the celebrant in Rome, the Midnight mass broadcast from the Basilica. Of course, back then, it was in Latin. I LOVE Gregorian chant, and though I was not raised a Catholic (and am now a Lutheran), I have a great respect for much of the traditions of the Catholic Church. And I HAD to stay up to watch the funeral of the Holy Father.

This whole week has been incredible! I thank God for John Paul II, who has been such a good and faithful Vicar of our Lord Jesus Christ--and for all His children whose expressions of love and respect have been expressed on this forum and through all the media. Dominus vobiscum--et cum Spiritu Tuo!

59 posted on 04/08/2005 12:23:38 PM PDT by milagro
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To: ninenot
"Notes..notes/words...words" Wrong. Languages are not easily translatable, as most folks understand."

I could do without the tone in the last sentence--yes, most folks DO understand we're not talking precise translations--which is why I didn't feel the need to go into detailed explanations we don't need. But to claim you cannot translate words into words with any more accuracy than you could translate notes into words is just silly. The differences are in terms of tone and, for example, subject-object correlations, but I don't feel like discussing this with anyone with that attitude.

I'll leave this thread now that it's heading into insult territory, which seems to happen whenever I "dare" ask questions about religion here.

60 posted on 04/08/2005 1:00:07 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (I'm posting less and less in the last few weeks)
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