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Terri Schiavo's 2002 CT scan
MSNBC ^ | 3 29 05 | msnbc dan abrams interview

Posted on 03/29/2005 9:45:05 PM PST by flixxx

TRANSCRIPT Updated: 4:04 p.m. ET March 29, 2005 The overwhelming majority in the medical community say Terri Schiavo has close to no brain activity and has no chance of regaining awareness. Dr. Ronald Cranford, who actually examined Terri Schiavo in 2002 and testified to her condition, joined "The Abrams Report" on Monday. Cranford is the assistant chief of neurology at the Hennepin County Medical Center in Minneapolis as well as a faculty member at the University of Minnesota's Center for Bioethics. Below is the transcript of their conversation.

DAN ABRAMS, HOST: You're one of the few people who has actually examined Terri Schiavo and you're hearing all of these people who are coming on from the sidelines saying, "She's has been misdiagnosed," et cetera. How confident are you in your diagnosis and why?

DR. RONALD CRANFORD, UNIV. OF MN NEUROLOGIST: I'm extremely confident. I think at the time of the trial in 2002 there had been eight neurologists who examined her. And of those eight neurologists total, seven of them said beyond any doubt whatsoever Terri is in a vegetative state. Her CT scan shows severe atrophy or shrinkage of the brain. Her EEG is flat and there's absolutely no doubt that she's been in a permanent vegetative state ever since 1990. There's no doubt whatsoever, Dan.

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To: texasflower
Question... Is Terri's skull thicker than a normal person, or is the picture of her skull a cross-section of a higher plane of her head, where the skull is beginning to round off? Looks to me (admittedly this is the first CT scan I have ever seen, so it is pure conjecture) that the two scans are not on the same plane. It may be irrelevant but I find it dubious.
21 posted on 03/29/2005 10:06:15 PM PST by madconservative
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To: texasflower
Look at post 7. You can see the difference between a normal brain and Terri's brain.

Is anyone here claiming Terri is a Mensa candidate? There are people who have had most of their brain literally blown away who are nonetheless able to live productive lives even if they're not the smartest people around. I see nothing in the CT scan that would prove there would be no possibility of improvement if Terri were actually allowed continuing treatment by people who wanted her to improve.

22 posted on 03/29/2005 10:06:50 PM PST by supercat ("Though her life has been sold for corrupt men's gold, she refuses to give up the ghost.")
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To: texasflower
The scans posted are very clear. What do you all have to say about that?
I noticed you all ignored them and decided to try and bash the doctor instead.

See post #6. jbstrick is way ahead of you.

23 posted on 03/29/2005 10:06:52 PM PST by concerned about politics (Vote Republican - Vote morally correct!)
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To: jbstrick

I am not making any judgments about "starving" anyone.


24 posted on 03/29/2005 10:07:07 PM PST by texasflower ("America's vital interests and our deepest beliefs are now one." President George W. Bush 01/20/05)
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To: texasflower

"You just aren't willing to acknowledge the truth"

What is the truth? Is it possible to judge PVS patients from CT scans?


25 posted on 03/29/2005 10:07:41 PM PST by jbstrick (This tagline has passed the "Global Test")
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To: Electrowoman

There are all sort of people out there and here, saying all sorts of things.

The scan is there in front of you.


26 posted on 03/29/2005 10:09:47 PM PST by texasflower ("America's vital interests and our deepest beliefs are now one." President George W. Bush 01/20/05)
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To: madconservative

The black and white scans are not both Terri's. Only the one on the right.


27 posted on 03/29/2005 10:11:23 PM PST by texasflower ("America's vital interests and our deepest beliefs are now one." President George W. Bush 01/20/05)
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To: texasflower

The "save Terri" crowd believes with all their heart that Terri would wake up and ask for a Big Mac if only she had a little speech therapy. They don't believe the brain actually controls the body.


28 posted on 03/29/2005 10:11:57 PM PST by jess35
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To: supercat

She had lots of therapy in the early years without improvement.


29 posted on 03/29/2005 10:12:47 PM PST by texasflower ("America's vital interests and our deepest beliefs are now one." President George W. Bush 01/20/05)
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To: jbstrick
What is the truth? Is it possible to judge PVS patients from CT scans?

Michael will not allow a test that will show Terris brain activity. Guess there's something he'd rather people not know, aye?

Dr. Ronald Cranfords diagnosis has been disputed by Dr. William Hammesfahr, who said, "I spent about 10 hours across about three months and the woman is very aware of her surroundings. She's very aware. She's alert. She's not in a coma. She's not in PVS."

Hammesfahr added, "With proper therapy, she will have a tremendous improvement. I think, personally, that she'll be able to walk, eventually, and she will be able to use at least one of her arms."

31 posted on 03/29/2005 10:13:31 PM PST by concerned about politics (Vote Republican - Vote morally correct!)
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To: jbstrick

Yes, actually it is. Giving Terri a PET scan would be a complete waste or resources. The PET scan is helpful to narrow down specific areas of damage in the cerebral cortex....but when the cerebral cortex is gone, it's pointless.


32 posted on 03/29/2005 10:13:59 PM PST by jess35
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To: supercat

The Montessori Method was first used on children who were born with literally half a brain that many had given up on. The brain is a fascinating organ.


33 posted on 03/29/2005 10:14:01 PM PST by HungarianGypsy
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To: texasflower
The black and white scans are not both Terri's. Only the one on the right.

That doesn't answer the question of why the skull seems thicker in the scan on the right than in the one on the left.

34 posted on 03/29/2005 10:14:32 PM PST by supercat ("Though her life has been sold for corrupt men's gold, she refuses to give up the ghost.")
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To: texasflower
"The scans posted are very clear. What do you all have to say about that?"

Protocols for PVS diagnosis call for MRI and PET testing. Yet you propose to settle the argument with three year old CT scans that you probably don't have the skill to interpret. Besides, the "scans" you present may be doctored.
35 posted on 03/29/2005 10:14:32 PM PST by Warlord
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To: texasflower
The truth? You cant handle the truth.

First, you can't make a diagnosis from a CT scan.

Second, you can't determine prognosis from a single scan.

Third, you only see one level. This is a sampling problem.

Fourth, you dont have the clinical history.

Fifth, she has yet to get treatment because of subhuman bastards.

Sixth, why is the pineal shifted?

36 posted on 03/29/2005 10:14:39 PM PST by Diogenesis (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: jess35

No kidding. I've been amazed at the normally intelligent freepers who are just blind to the facts right in front of them.


37 posted on 03/29/2005 10:15:07 PM PST by texasflower ("America's vital interests and our deepest beliefs are now one." President George W. Bush 01/20/05)
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To: jbstrick

Are you telling me that you can't see the big difference between the scan you posted and Terri's?

You can't be serious.


38 posted on 03/29/2005 10:16:16 PM PST by texasflower ("America's vital interests and our deepest beliefs are now one." President George W. Bush 01/20/05)
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To: texasflower

"America's vital interests and our deepest beliefs are now one."

The Terri S. case has shown this to be a big joke, don't you think?


39 posted on 03/29/2005 10:17:08 PM PST by Warlord
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To: texasflower
She had lots of therapy in the early years without improvement.

She was showing improvement while she received therapy. Had she shown none, the malpractice jury probably wouldn't have awarded as much as it did.

40 posted on 03/29/2005 10:17:09 PM PST by supercat ("Though her life has been sold for corrupt men's gold, she refuses to give up the ghost.")
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