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Terri Schiavo's 2002 CT scan
MSNBC ^ | 3 29 05 | msnbc dan abrams interview

Posted on 03/29/2005 9:45:05 PM PST by flixxx

TRANSCRIPT Updated: 4:04 p.m. ET March 29, 2005 The overwhelming majority in the medical community say Terri Schiavo has close to no brain activity and has no chance of regaining awareness. Dr. Ronald Cranford, who actually examined Terri Schiavo in 2002 and testified to her condition, joined "The Abrams Report" on Monday. Cranford is the assistant chief of neurology at the Hennepin County Medical Center in Minneapolis as well as a faculty member at the University of Minnesota's Center for Bioethics. Below is the transcript of their conversation.

DAN ABRAMS, HOST: You're one of the few people who has actually examined Terri Schiavo and you're hearing all of these people who are coming on from the sidelines saying, "She's has been misdiagnosed," et cetera. How confident are you in your diagnosis and why?

DR. RONALD CRANFORD, UNIV. OF MN NEUROLOGIST: I'm extremely confident. I think at the time of the trial in 2002 there had been eight neurologists who examined her. And of those eight neurologists total, seven of them said beyond any doubt whatsoever Terri is in a vegetative state. Her CT scan shows severe atrophy or shrinkage of the brain. Her EEG is flat and there's absolutely no doubt that she's been in a permanent vegetative state ever since 1990. There's no doubt whatsoever, Dan.

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Well, I know that this interview will probably not change anyone's mind at this point about the Schiavo case, but I thought that it would be of interest to those FreeRepublic patrons who would like the opinon of a respected neurologist. Also, if interested, here is a previous post referencing an article from the New England Journal of Medicine regarding PVS and the Schiavo case. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1368403/posts

As I have mentioned in previous posts, there will be no good outcome from this whole episode.

1 posted on 03/29/2005 9:45:05 PM PST by flixxx
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To: flixxx

Interesting. Thank you for posting this.


2 posted on 03/29/2005 9:50:13 PM PST by texasflower ("America's vital interests and our deepest beliefs are now one." President George W. Bush 01/20/05)
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To: texasflower

Dr. Jon Thogmartin, the medical examiner chosen by Felos/Schiavo to perform the autopsy, was appointed to his current position by Gov. Jeb Bush in 2000 for a three year term and reappointed in 2003. He reports to the Pinellas County Board of Commissioners, the same commission of which Greer was a commissioner prior to assuming judicial office.


3 posted on 03/29/2005 9:50:52 PM PST by concerned about politics (Vote Republican - Vote morally correct!)
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To: flixxx
...the opinon of a respected neurologist.

Who is the "respected neurologist" to whom you refer?

Certainly not the notorious euthanasia champion Dr. Ronald Cranford! This is a man who most certainly has a horse in this race, and cannot possibly give an unbiased diagnosis or evaluation.

4 posted on 03/29/2005 9:52:15 PM PST by John Valentine
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To: concerned about politics

Your point?


5 posted on 03/29/2005 9:53:34 PM PST by texasflower ("America's vital interests and our deepest beliefs are now one." President George W. Bush 01/20/05)
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To: John Valentine

Did you look at the scan? Can't you see the atrophy?


6 posted on 03/29/2005 9:54:10 PM PST by texasflower ("America's vital interests and our deepest beliefs are now one." President George W. Bush 01/20/05)
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To: concerned about politics

Left: CT scan of a normal 25 year old; Right, Terri Schiavo's most recent scan

7 posted on 03/29/2005 9:55:52 PM PST by texasflower ("America's vital interests and our deepest beliefs are now one." President George W. Bush 01/20/05)
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The neurologist chosen by Michael Schiavo to examine his estranged wife, Terri, is a right-to-die activist who has been a featured speaker for the pro-euthanasia Hemlock Society.

Dr. Ronald Cranford testified in the court cases before county court Judge George Greer that Terri Schiavo was in a persistent vegetative state with no hope of recovery.

8 posted on 03/29/2005 9:56:35 PM PST by concerned about politics (Vote Republican - Vote morally correct!)
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http://www.bioethics.umn.edu/faculty/cranford_r.shtml

Ronald Cranford, MD

Professor of Neurology, University of Minnesota Medical School; Associate Physician, Department of Neurology, Hennepin County Medical Center

Ronald Cranford, MD, a neurologist and medical ethicist, is Assistant Chief in Neurology at the Hennepin County Medical Center (HCMC), Minneapolis, Minnesota; Professor of Neurology, University of Minnesota Medical School; and Faculty Associate, Center for Bioethics, University of Minnesota. He was Director of the Neurological Intensive Care Unit at the Hennepin County Medical Center from 1971 to 1991.

Dr. Cranford has specialized in the field of clinical ethics since the early 1970s. During this time, he served as a consultant to several national commissions on right-to-die issues. These included the President's Commission for the Study of Ethical Problems in Medicine and Biomedical and Behavioral Research, primarily the reports on "Defining Death" and "Deciding to Forego Life-Sustaining Treatment" and the National Conference of Commissioners on Uniform State Laws on the Uniform Determination of Death Act and the Uniform Rights of the Terminally Ill Act. He was a member of the panel that formulated the Hastings Center's "Guidelines on Termination of Treatment and the Care of the Dying" and the project consultant to the National Center of State Courts' project on "Guidelines for State Court Decision Making in Authorizing or Withholding Life-Sustaining Medical Treatment." Recently, he was co-chairman of the Multisociety Task Force on Medical Aspects of the Persistent Vegetative State.

9 posted on 03/29/2005 9:57:11 PM PST by Nachum ( "Let everyone get a move on and take some hilltops! Whatever we take, will be ours- Ariel Sharon)
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To: concerned about politics

Look at post 7. You can see the difference between a normal brain and Terri's brain.

It is pretty clear.


10 posted on 03/29/2005 9:58:21 PM PST by texasflower ("America's vital interests and our deepest beliefs are now one." President George W. Bush 01/20/05)
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To: flixxx

"Dr. Ronald Cranford, who actually examined Terri Schiavo in 2002 and testified to her condition"

When Dr. Cranford was on Hannity & Colmes last week, Hannity nailed him on two things he's claimed in the past, even when he tried to wiggle away from answering.

1. Did you once say people in a vegetative state have no constitutional rights?

2. Did you once say it's a waste of time to hook a feeding tube to someone with Alzheimers?

After some wrangling about, he finally admitted he did indeed write such things in an article and then tried to justify it.


11 posted on 03/29/2005 9:58:34 PM PST by DakotaRed
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To: flixxx

"ABRAMS: Doctor, I mean you hate to say it but that's just a father wishful thinking, isn't it?

CRANFORD: I hate to say it but it's a father wishful thinking."

Leading?

I hate to say it but the
Right to Privacy = Right to Commit Murder


12 posted on 03/29/2005 9:59:24 PM PST by Fam4Bush
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To: John Valentine
Certainly not the notorious euthanasia champion Dr. Ronald Cranford! This is a man who most certainly has a horse in this race, and cannot possibly give an unbiased diagnosis or evaluation.

Yep. A very pro-death speaker for the Hemloch society. A kill the useless eaters guy.

Also, the autopsy is to be done by a man chosen by Michael and his lawyer!!!! See post #3 !!!!

13 posted on 03/29/2005 9:59:45 PM PST by concerned about politics (Vote Republican - Vote morally correct!)
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To: flixxx
"opinon [sic] of a respected neurologist."

Cranford is using this case to advance assisted-suicide. The NEJM "article" was editorial in nature, not scientific. It reflects elite opinion more than it does true science.
14 posted on 03/29/2005 9:59:47 PM PST by Warlord
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To: concerned about politics

I always thought that any expert who testified could not have any baggage that might indicate he (or she) had an opinion on what the outcome should be. His prior activism is certainly such BAGGAGE. Can't the Schindler's appeal that he is a biased witness based on his activism?


15 posted on 03/29/2005 10:00:21 PM PST by karenz
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To: texasflower
before you rely solely on the CT scans you need to see this link. This is the CT scan of a moderately disabled person. Should this person be starved to death?

http://www.urmc.rochester.edu/neuroslides/slide168.html


16 posted on 03/29/2005 10:00:27 PM PST by jbstrick (This tagline has passed the "Global Test")
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To: texasflower

Cranford? Read this, too:

http://www.sffaith.com/ed/articles/1998/0398ws.htm

On that CT scan, and comparison of the images posted? Read here:

http://codeblueblog.blogs.com/codeblueblog/


17 posted on 03/29/2005 10:00:47 PM PST by Electrowoman
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To: texasflower
Right, Terri Schiavo's most recent scan

Her frontal lobe is still all there. That's the conscience mind. She may be alive and well in her mind, but unable to connect with her body. How frightening!
The brain works similar to a hologram. When certain areas of the brain are damaged, other areas ofter pick up the slack.

18 posted on 03/29/2005 10:02:54 PM PST by concerned about politics (Vote Republican - Vote morally correct!)
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To: concerned about politics; Warlord; Fam4Bush

The scans posted are very clear. What do you all have to say about that?

I noticed you all ignored them and decided to try and bash the doctor instead.


19 posted on 03/29/2005 10:03:09 PM PST by texasflower ("America's vital interests and our deepest beliefs are now one." President George W. Bush 01/20/05)
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To: concerned about politics

The facts are right there in front of you. You just aren't willing to acknowledge the truth.


20 posted on 03/29/2005 10:05:14 PM PST by texasflower ("America's vital interests and our deepest beliefs are now one." President George W. Bush 01/20/05)
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