Posted on 03/22/2005 6:13:43 AM PST by sonsofliberty2000
per Fox
Annie, that appears to be my understanding as well, unfortunately.
As I understand, the lower Court was considered the "finder-of-fact" in the case. Apparently, the review of subsequent Courts (re: Judge Whittemore yesterday) is to rule on whether or not the lower court erred in a way that is substantive enough to overturn.
I, too, have had a broken heart for this young woman, because I do believe her life is being taken against her will.
My question: Can the 3 judges on this court order that food and water tubes be re-inserted as the appeals process winds it's way up to the Supreme Court, as it most surely will.
The problem is Judge Greer is the only person to issue findings of facts. Judge Greer has conflicts of interests that should have led to his recusal. All of the other judges were appeal courts and as such did not take testimony or assess credibility of witnesses.
This is an extraordinary matter, however. Even lead to intervention by Congress, the Guv, and POTUS.
Yes, even though so many courts came to the same conclusion, and "followed the law" in so doing, this whole situation has something that perhaps the "law" cannot address, at least on the surface: a moral component.
Legislating morality has not been a successful venture in US history.
He has no say in it.
Can he do that?
I fear it is just a minority of Americans who have not bought into liberalism's culture of death and decay. The trend may irreversible. Peter Singer's ghastly new world of human utilitarianism appears to be dawning in America.
"So clearly good vs. evil."
Couldn't be more obvious to me.
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GOD Save the Vulnerable from the Bullies
TERRI = Breathes, Eats, Speaks / MICHAEL = "When is that B-ITCH gonna die?"
http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1366750/posts
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"Even from the POPE?"
I'm sorry, but you don't seem to realize that the Pope has nothing to do with our legal system. The Pope can do whatever he wishes, of course, but that does not change the legal status of this marriage.
The Pope said that the US shouldn't have gone into Iraq, too. That didn't change anything, since the Pope has no legal standing in this country.
(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
What the pope should do is BAN Michael from ANY Catholic church and certainly NOT allow this man to marry there after he murdered his wife through the legal system.
I agree! As one who spent a couple of days in Broward screaming No More Gore, I feel we Floridians personally did more to deliver W to the White House than any other state. In fact I was able to buy a bumper sticker in MA that said "Bush/Cheney - Thank you, Florida..." Florida is not really a hellhole.
Prayers sent.
I heard someone on the News yesterday saying it was Kennedy. Wishing it could be someone else.
>>>>NJ's is as liberal as FL's.
Well, since you had NJ and FL in the same sentence, let me just add another connection.
Robert Wood Johnson's Foundation IN NEW JERSEY is a large granter to The Hospice of the Florida Suncoast (Terri's hospice) that had Felos as a Board of Director.
Just thought I would make the comparison more solid.
Regarding Terri Schiavo: Facts Should Trump Emotions and Activism
by Frank Salvato
Mar 22, 2005
So it has come to this, a true test to see if the American political system, judicial system and the American public as a whole have the ability to set aside emotion and activism in deference to the facts. So far the jury is out on this question. Just as it is out on the question of whether or not Terri Schiavo will live or die. Personally, I think we can do better, much better.
I find it reprehensible that in an age when gathering facts has never been easier or more convenient, most among us prove delinquent in doing so, even in matters of life and death and especially in those that will set precedent for future actions. It is grave evidence that our society is in a persistent vegetative state where the overbearing voice of the activist agenda trumps not only the good of the people but common sense. Our failure to ascertain facts or even be tempted by unanswered questions renders us neutered by political correctness. This is the death knell of civic responsibility and thus moves us closer to being considered cowards in the eyes of our Founders.
It has become apparent that there is a need to consider the facts before we can be moved to consider the questions that they raise. To this end the mainstream media has been abhorrently delinquent, opting instead to report sensational half-facts ala The Enquirer circa 1975. This proves one of two things or perhaps both; that the mainstream media has lost its ability to report the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, and that it has turned into an activist propaganda machine hell-bent on the destruction of the American right to be informed.
Many questions have been raised over the course of the Terri Schiavo case. The astounding thing is that few have been answered. Instead we see reluctance by the court to explore all avenues of knowledge available while it consistently rules in favor of a petitioner whose motives are questionable at best. Make no mistake, a court that refuses to examine all facets of an issue and excludes expert testimony presenting an alternative opinion can only be classified as an activist court.
Terri Schiavo did not have a Living Will. Therefore, the issue of her wishes is open to question. While it is normal for our society to depend on the spouse to convey the wishes of the critically disabled or injured, in circumstances when immediate family members hold adamant opposition to a matter concerning decisions of life and death we must insist that all voices be heard.
In this instance the Schindlers (Terri Schiavos parents), practicing Catholics who have always considered their family close, claim that Terri would never have considered ending her life given these circumstances. While the tenets of Terris religion reinforce this claim, her spouse, with no other proof than his word, claims otherwise. Thus we have a He-Said-She-Said dilemma. That is until we hear a statement made by an ex-girlfriend of Michael Schiavos referred to only as Cyndi due to the fact that she fears the man. Obviously this is why she is an ex-girlfriend.
On April 25th of 2001 Cyndi stated that Michael Schiavo admitted to lying about Terri expressing anything about her wishes regarding life sustaining treatment in the event of severe disability. While Cyndi later refused to testify citing her fear of Michael Schiavo, the issue became moot when just a day later on April 26th Judge George Greer refused to hear any testimony at all regarding Michael Schiavos statement. No investigation. No consideration. Nothing.
To say the least, Terri Schiavos wishes remain in question. For the courts to rule on behalf of Michael Schiavo based solely on the legal point that he is the next of kin, especially in light of her parents declarations and the silenced testimony of a woman who feared for her well being, is irresponsible and grounds for Judge Greers removal from the case, if not the bench.
Florida Statute 765.101 defines a persistent vegetative state (PVS) as being a permanent and irreversible condition of unconsciousness in which there is: a) The absence of voluntary action or cognitive behavior of any kind, and b) An inability to communicate or interact purposefully with the environment. The opinion that Terri Schiavos behavior meets the medical and/or statutory definition of PVS doesnt take into account that she responds to stimuli, tries to communicate verbally, follows limited commands, laughs and cries in interaction with loved ones, physically distances herself from irritating or painful stimulation and watches loved ones as they move around her. These observations were made by medical professionals and are on record. Further no MRI or PET scans have ever been performed on Terri Schiavo on orders issued by her husband.
The question here is, who determined that Terri Schiavo met the criteria for being in PVS? While 14 independent doctors including six neurologists adamantly refute the diagnosis of PVS, stating that therapy would be beneficial to Ms. Schiavo, Judge Greer has consistently excluded their testimony in favor of opinions from four doctors that adhere to the PVS diagnosis.
Of the 4 doctors selected to be the courts medical authorities, three were hand-picked by Michael Schiavo and one was selected by Judge Greer.
Dr. Peter Bambakidis, appointed by Greer, has questionable affiliations with Michael Schiavos lawyer George Felos.
Dr. Melvin Greer insists that a doctor need not examine a patient to know the appropriate medical treatment.
Dr. Victor Gambone has stated that he has been startled by Terri Schiavos awareness.
Dr. Ronald Cranford, is on the board of the Euthanasia Society of America, has ties to the Hemlock Society and even advocates denial of spoon-feeding for the disabled.
To say the very least, the word impartial cannot be used when discussing the medical testimony provided in this case, neither can the word thorough. In fact, the deck was stacked in Michael Schiavos favor, something easily done when one is the dealer. To say that there are no unanswered questions and no bias regarding the medical opinions issued in the Terri Schiavo case is to be ignorant of the facts and ignorant of the truth.
Add to just these two issues the following facts, and I beg you, challenge yourself to be curious as to why:
Terri Schiavo has always been able to swallow but her husband denied her the therapy that would allow her to re-learn how to eat even though the therapy is considered mandatory by Florida Statute 744.3215, even to those diagnosed with PVS.
Although Michael Schiavo was awarded $600,000 of his own in a malpractice award regarding this case he has squandered the million dollars plus settlement that was to pay for Terri Schiavos medical care. A ruling by Judge Greer has allowed that money to be spent on Michaels attorneys fees.
Although Michael Schiavo has remained married to Terri he has fathered two children with his girlfriend whose mother has a connection with the county sheriff (this would prove convenient when trying to allude investigation into anything that might be construed as criminal).
Michael Schiavo filed a petition to prohibit the media from seeing Terris neurological examination videotapes or airing the videos to the public after they had been presented to the court as evidence.
Michael Schiavo has petitioned to have Terri cremated immediately after her death.
The list of questionable issues surrounding this case goes on and on and on.
To say that this case is a tragedy would be the understatement of the millennium. To say that this is a case about advocating the agenda of the Right to Life crowd is ludicrous. This is more than a tragedy and it is slowly becoming a judicial travesty. This case is about whether the life of another human being, a damaged human being but a human being nevertheless, should be snuffed out by the stroke of a pen and the disconnection of a feeding tube, all on the unsubstantiated word of a man who couldnt even honor the vow of Til death do we part. This case is about a murder of convenience.
Florida courts have long been known for leaning towards the liberal and activist agendas. In most instances of their activism the remedy of judicial prudence was found in appeals to the federal court. This time they have come dangerously close to setting a precedent that would allow for the legitimization of an ideology that would advocate the termination of the infirmed. It is chilling.
Image that when you arrive at old age you become afflicted with a debilitating disease, your mouth doesnt want to do what you want it to and your speech isnt what it used to be. Your arms and legs arent as quick to react as they once were. You are incontinent and as your body begins to wear out you require the aid of a feeding tube for nutrition and therapy to help you maintain any semblance of mobility. Your memory is fading but you are aware and appreciative of your surroundings, your family and your friends.
Now imagine Michael Schiavo is your guardian.
Sleep well, we all get older.
Frank Salvato is a political media consultant and managing editor for The Rant.us
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