Posted on 03/21/2005 7:50:03 AM PST by Pendragon_6
Lets see, first Michael Schiavo beats and strangles his wife Terri, leaves her lying unconscious on the floor until her family arrives to get her to the hospital.
Then Michael Schiavo sues the hospital for $20 million because he needs the money to get his poor wife therapy.
Then Michael Schiavo pockets the money, denies his wife the care he said she needed and finally, claims she really wants to die.
Michael Schiavo killed his wife Terri's cat, melted down her wedding ring and then took up with his girlfriend and lives with her today with their children. Does this sound like a loving husband who really cares about his wife's wishes?
And what do we get on the tube every hour on the hour: “persistent vegetative state” as though any of the talking heads who ghoulishly proclaim Terri's life isn't worth that of a convicted serial killer sitting on death row (for 20 years, while due process goes on).
Michael Schiavo's supporters claim he loved his wife Terri enough to take a nursing degree so that he could take care of her. I think he got that nursing degree so he could inject her with insulin and hasten her death and his complete claim to all the money he won in litigation.
Just take a gander at the sworn testimony of an attending nurse: Carla Sauer Iyer (affidavit* below) but let me save you some time and report a quote of Michael Schiavo's after visiting his still living wife: "When is that bitch gonna die?"
Hmmm. Loving husband or man so afraid of not only not getting the money (what's left of the $20 million) but the prospect of facing a jury for his attempted murder, a charge which is possible as long as Terri lives. Sounds like motive to me.
Michael Schiavo says Terri said she never wanted to be kept alive on machines. Okay. Even if that was her statement (which there is absolutely no corroborating testimony and quite the unusual statement coming from a young, newly married woman still in her twenties and full of life); Terri is not being kept alive by machines!
Terri has a feeding tube from which she gets food and water. Had she had the care and therapy she was entitled to, there is every chance today Terri would be divorced from that louse and feeding herself just fine.
About that “loving husband” crapola: what husband do you know evinces his marital fidelity and love by living with another woman, having children with that woman and dumps his wife in a hospice while waiting for her to die? What loving husband kills his sick wife's pet? What loving husband denies his wife's family visitation?
I ask these questions because the media morons are still stuck with their new term: “persistent vegetative state” and are oblivious to the actual facts of this tragic case.
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But for the fact they inserted a feeding tube into her, she would have died already.
Wrong! She was being fed by mouth until your hero MS insisted that it be discontinued, and a feeding tube used instead. Where were you when Christopher Reeve couldn't feed himself? He was almost totally paralyzed? Were you posting here advocating they quit feeding him?
If she received the therapy that MS refused to continue after he got the cash award, she may well have recovered at least partially, and still may.
Sober, too.
Wimping out?
Whatever.
Please desist from ad hominems.
I believe in cryonics and everyone should have the option of getting cryonically preserved while their brain's connections are still intact so that nanomedicine in the future will be able to revive and heal them.
I wish I knew then what I know now about the importance of the timeliness of cryonic preservation for neural maintenance. My late wife could've have a chance of living a full and healthy life, albeit, in the distant future.
Before you answer these questions, get away from the fact that we are talking about Terry Schivo. Just answer this.
Shal it become State Policy in the State of Florida (or any other State) to put to death anyone by starvation and dehydration? Is this an acceptable form of Death Penalty for anyone in such a State that has a policy of putting convicted criminals to death, to be subjected to Execution in this manner rather than by Lethal injection? Use this as a baseline. Is it good enough for a criminal?
Wait again before answering.
There are hundreds of infants that are currently dependent on feeding tubes for a myriad of reasons. Is it acceptable to simply remove those tubes and with-drawl water because those tiny beings have no means of communication? Some of those children remain dependent on those tubes until 5 or 6 or even older yet, because they have not learned to eat in their early youth due to their medical conditions. Shal we give to their parents or next of kin the rights to remove those, thereby killing them slowly? They can walk and talk, reason even! But they can not swallow. Do they deserve to die for that? Or do we have the compassion to do what we can for them, give them time to learn and the therapy they need to learn those skills? Do you have the compassion to recognize that even a "vegetable" (you can include infants on feeding tubes here as well, because they can not communicate, therefore they are merely burdens with no known future capabilities) may well be able to regain some of the functions they once had or may devlop in the future?
You may well think that this is a "Political" matter. One in which the Federal Government has no part. I believe you are wrong. Our Federal Government represents ALL of us regardless of State affiliation. We ALL have the right to include such sweeping moral decisions as to the definitions of Murder and simply allowing someone "pass on". There is not a single thing wrong with this Nation as a whole, coming to the Conclusion that withholding food and water is NOT an acceptable means of ending a person's life. A person can make that decision for themselves, a Living Will, or by anorexia or what ever as a personal DECISION. When it comes to making that decision for another person, it is not only immoral, it is inhuman. It is a betrayal of our collective humanity, not to mention all of the precepts that we hold as a Nation. If it can be argued that death by lethal injection given to a person under the age of 16 is immoral, wrong, illegal, and governed by decisions made by the Supreme Court, then it is no leap at all to say that starving someone else is even more so. It is no leap at all to say, if you can not excute a criminal under that age of 16, you also can not excute someone who is so severely disabled as to be unable to communicate his or her wishes regarding their own continued life.
I hope that I have given you something to think about. Our Government was founded on the principals set by the Founding Fathers, that we might well need to change and modify that Government as society changed and evolved. With out a doubt, this is an area most worthy of changing and or including in the very fibers that make up this Greatest of Nations. We espouse the rights of Freedom and Liberty, to live life as one wishes rather than as one is dictated to. If this truth is self evident, then we must act to protect, nourish and enrich life. Otherwise, we are a Nation of Hypocrites.
Which shal it be?
Judge not before YE be Judged.
This whole case brings to light a lot of gray area...this is why many seemingly good people are wont to disagree.
I, in good conscience, must err on the side of life. Seems pretty simple to me. This has nothing to do with religion and...I'm not really too impressed with the laws on this matter either.
If you and others believe that this woman's life is not worth fighting for then that is between you all and your gods.
Were you there to observe her?
Were you there when Schiavo asked when the "bitch" was gonna die?
Actually I think it's remarriage after a divorce that is excommunicable under certain circumstances. In living memory the same was true in the Episcopal Church. Divorce by itself is not the problem for the Catholic Church
The thing is that she cannot speak, why in the heck has so many judges ruled in Mr. Shivo's favor? Why does the parents show only a small part of the videos? Does not God allow human interference? They can keep a comatose patient alive for years. And all they have done is arrest the natural dying process. Glad your children are doing well.
The thing is that she cannot speak, why in the heck has so many judges ruled in Mr. Shivo's favor? Why does the parents show only a small part of the videos? Does not God allow human interference? They can keep a comatose patient alive for years. And all they have done is arrest the natural dying process. Glad your children are doing well.
I thought that most states provide for divorce in cases of disability of a spouse. And I did read that the Schindlers suggested he divorce Terri. I don't know Florida's law here.
No, but were you there and heard her state the opposite?
Of course, neither of us were, but it's you who wants to do the irreversible damage to her. All I want is to give her a chance by giving her the therapy that MS promised, and then denied her.
What...leaving without even one more "Bull Squeeze"?
First, no one has the "right" to serve as another's guardian. The court grants authority to an individual to serve.
Second, there are persons who start out with a presumption in favor of being allowed to serve. I have read the first 200 posts on this thread and there seems to be more than one opinion as to what the law states. In my experience, it is usually instructive to actually read the law in question to determine its intent.
Accordingly, here is a copy of the Florida statute regarding guardianships:
"
(1) Subject to the provisions of subsection (4), the court may appoint any person who is fit and proper and qualified to act as guardian, whether related to the ward or not.
(2) The court shall give preference to the appointment of a person who:
(a) Is related by blood or marriage to the ward;
(b) Has educational, professional or business experience relevant to the nature of services sought to be provided;
(c) Has the capacity to manage the financial resources involved; or
(d) Has the ability to meet the requirements of the law and the unique needs of the individual case.
(3) The court shall also:
(a) Consider the wishes expressed by the incapacitated person as to who shall be appointed guardian;
(b) Consider the preference of a minor who is age 14 or over as to who should be appointed guardian;
(c) Consider any person designated as guardian in any will in which the ward is a beneficiary.
(4) If the person designated is qualified to serve pursuant to s. 744.309, the court shall appoint any standby guardian or preneed guardian, unless the court determines that appointing such person is contrary to the best interest of the ward."
As you can see, the staute provides that a person related by blood or marriage are given preference.
She has a lot of trouble articulating, but she is speaking. I heard the recordings yesterday and today.
Thank you for the information. However, if it's true Terri was beaten or bludgeoned and the evidence points to it; why wasn't her ever charged? Many have on much less evidence.
Furthermore, even the piece you posted mentions her injuries can cause a vegetitative state so I fail to see your point.
In fact, the only point of serious disagreement is on whether Terri was ever able to swallow. In this, the doctor (and the caregiver) you cited are both in explicit disagreement with all the others who say otherwise.
Who's telling the truth; the two you cited or the dozens mentioned and identified in the 11 court cases who say otherwise?
I happen to believe the dozens mentioned in the 11 court cases, however, am open to having my mind changed. Who knows? Perhaps everyone else was wrong.
She was eating from a spoon some, but it was too expense, so Schivo had the tube installed.
Me too. I can't imagine the pain you went through. I'm truly sorry.
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