Posted on 03/16/2005 1:45:46 PM PST by La Enchiladita
MEXICO CITY - The leaders of the United States, Mexico and Canada, confronting the growth of rival groups in Europe and Asia, hope to strengthen their free-trade pact by signing an "Initiative for North America" next week in Texas, Mexico President Vicente Fox said Wednesday.
But Fox made clear that tensions remain over how to secure the countries' borders, criticizing new U.S. walls running along parts of its 2,000-mile frontier with Mexico. "No country that is proud of itself should build walls," he said.
Fox, President Bush and Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin are scheduled to meet March 23 at Bush's Crawford, Texas, ranch during Bush's Easter vacation.
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Speaking at a news conference with U.S. and Canadian reporters, Fox vowed to take legal action against migrant-hunting vigilantes in Arizona and promised to fight terrorism.
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But in both Spanish and English, Fox repeatedly expressed concern about state initiatives to limit rights of migrants and services for them in the United States, and about the U.S. government's effort to slow migration by building walls.
"We are convinced that walls don't work. They should be torn down," Fox said. He called the walls "discriminatory; they attack liberty. So no country that is proud of itself should build walls. Nobody can isolate himself these days."
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He said Mexicans "totally reject" the migrant hunters recently formed in Arizona to help stem the illegal crossings there, which have risen partly because of the construction of walls elsewhere. The vigilantes "are completely in violation of American law itself and in violation of laws anywhere," Fox said.
He said Mexico "will be very alert to react legally against any lawbreaking" by those groups, either under U.S. or international law.
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Hmm, we know Bush is one heck of a poker player, so why not look at the 'big picture'? Analyze what we have on our southern border and what's likely to happen if we A. do nothing, B. build a wall, militarize that wall, etc. or C. try and get a handle on illegals already here, encourage them to go home, encourage Mexico to change, revitalize its economy, yada yada yada. Or C. We invade Mexico and whip them into shape. Meanwhile, we're fighting terrorism, etc..
NAFTA was supposed to help Mexico lift itself out of the third world slum. We all know how that turned out. So now it's open borders? Globalization? Everything we've done so far has been predicated on Fox and company's good intentions...which so far don't exist. Plus there's the question of Mexico's oil. Whom they'll sell to and at what price, etc. And if you recall, they didn't develop their oil industry, we did. They nationalized it. (Like Arab oil industries...ARAMCo., etc.)
This is complicated, certainly, but Bush's first responsibility is to secure our borders and protect US citizens. There will be a tipping point beyond which Bush won't be able to play nice with Fox. Some outrage, large numbers of citizens raped/murdered...not piecemeal stuff. Something hugh.
And where are patriotic, loyal Mexicans who want change back home in Mexico, who are sick of the drugs, lawlessness, and corruption? Where are they? Busy having that 'anchor' baby in San Diego?
And where are patriotic, loyal Mexicans who want change back home in Mexico, who are sick of the drugs, lawlessness, and corruption? Where are they? Busy having that 'anchor' baby in San Diego?
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Clearly it is not a pretty picture. It has not been for a long time now, too long. And again, nothing TO FIX THE PROBLEM is being done, NOTHING! Just more pandering, footsie-games with Vincente and his criminal, third world government, which cannot deliver SQUAT to its people. Outrage? I have plenty of it -- I wish more real Americans did too. I am fed up with my country being overrun with criminal illegals, AND HAVING TO PAY FOR IT...in more ways than one. Meanwhile, Washington just plays its POLITICS BEFORE THE PEOPLE games....the beat goes on.
Hmmm, all of the world's great cities were enclosed in walls up till recent times. China, one of the worlds great civilization built the Great Wall. Rome probably the worlds greatest civilization built Hadrian Wall. I'd say old V. Fox doesn't know sqat about the glorious history of walls. Fox is either an ignorant fool or he thnks we are ignorant fools, willing to buy his poison.
Same guy that wrote "Killer Angels?"
I hope to GOD there is poker strategery involved... I'm not ready to give up on this Great Nation. Even liberal university professors are urging reform in Mexico:
http://www.international.ucla.edu/article.asp?parentid=21863
Actually, I think it was his son that wrote Gone for Soldiers and the rest of the series.
Cool, I'll have to look those up. Sometimes the deployed soldiers request military history books.
Fox's only claim to fame is that he has successfully exported a good percentage of his country's poor people for us to support.
I heard on Fox News today that President Fox said it was illegal for us to build any fences or barriers on the border. Why is he getting away with telling us what to do?
Two words: George Bush.
But WHY?? I just don't understand it and I doubt anyone else does either!
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http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2005/03/14/tri-national-report050314.html
WASHINGTON - The leaders of Canada, Mexico and the United States will discuss a plan to beef up continental security and speed up movement across their borders when they meet next week.
A report calls for the creation of a common economic and security community by the end of the decade. The document's proposals would try to create a secure perimeter around the continent, while making it easier for people and goods to move across the shared borders.
The proposals contained in the report are expected to be a part of the discussions when Prime Minister Paul Martin and Mexican President Vicente Fox meet with U.S. President George W. Bush at his ranch in Crawford, Texas.
The report was jointly sponsored by the U.S. Council on Foreign Relations, the Canadian Council of Chief Executives and the Mexican Council on Foreign Relations.
Among its chief recommendations:
If the three leaders manage to agree in principle to some of the report's recommendations, further discussions would be required to hammer out the details.
Greater continental integration could be opposed in all three countries. A North American economic community could make some Canadians nervous about the country's sovereignty.
Mexicans could worry about a U.S. grab of natural resources.
Some Americans, on the other hand, could be concerned about their partners' commitment to continental security.
The task force that prepared the report was chaired by former deputy prime minister John Manley, former Mexican finance minister Pedro Aspe and former Massachusetts governor William Weld.
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CFR in #153
I heard that audio in an email you sent. I'm sorry, I just don't want one huge open border continent, we will have more crime than ever.
It has been tried before in 1986 by President Reagan and it failed miserably.
Also, there is the huge (fully known, fully allowed) existence of the Underground Economy of Mexican migrants brought up here to do "Jobs American Won't Do."
The underground economy last year is estimated to have robbed the United States of over $480 BILLION in lost tax revenue due to unreported taxes because the labor was (of course) illegal in the first place.
The big problem with all of this is that the Democrats are jumping right on top of it and sure as the world is round and the Pope is Catholic will fashion a giant hammer and smack the holy living dribbles out of Republicans in 2006 and 2008 with it.
To continue in the path of the underground economy and the open border (unofficial) policy is political and national suicide.
I thought Bush was going 'easy' on this because of the 2006 elections. The democrats never do anything about the border issue either.
Moral ethics, the politicians care more about winning and keeping their positions than about the results of all this border issue. I should have said 'lack of' moral ethics.
So, how does this improve security? When do we get to have a voice in this? We are three distinct, separate countries, and I like it that way. My neighbor cannot come in to my apartment anytime she wants to. She needs to knock and then obtain my permission, or have my invitation.
I have been to Mexico and I have been to Canada. I made sure I knew what customs, theirs and ours, required before I went.
What's fair is fair.
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