Posted on 03/13/2005 1:11:03 PM PST by jan in Colorado
In Islam, lying or omissions for the 'greater good,' according to a strict or radical Islam/Islamist philosophy is not only acceptable, it is holy and blessed work. It is called al-Takeyya (or al-Taqiyya) and is a strategy outlined in the Hadiths and supported by various interpretations of some of the Suras in the Koran. We have just seen it in action and most people never even caught the whiff of mental ether the Islamists were pouring into the airways of the already comatose and choking non-Islamist world.
Al-Takeyya is a policy whereby a Muslim may lie, deceive or omit critical truths if it promotes the spreading of Islam AND the conquest of the non-Muslim world. According to William P. Welty, Ph.D., al-Takeyya/Taqiyya is:
"The Islamic principle of lying for the sake of Allah. Falsehoods told to prevent denigration of Islam, to protect oneself, or to promote the cause of Islam are sanctioned by the Qur'an, including lying under penalty of perjury in testimony before the United States Congress, lying or making distorted statements to the media such as claiming that Islam is a religion of peace and deceiving fellow Muslims when the one lying has deemed them to be apostates." (1)
And here is the definition from an Islam encyclopedia website:
"The word "al-Taqiyya" literally means: "Concealing or disguising one's beliefs, convictions, ideas, feelings, opinions, and/or strategies..." (2)
Now here's where the latest Islamist sneak maneuver of al Takeyya/Taqiyya comes into play. The Islamic Commission of Spain issued a decree against al-Qaeda terrorist leader Osama bin Laden. They did this in response to the bombing of a Madrid train last year by al Qaeda.
Mansur Escudero, head of the Federation of Islamic Religious Entities, called on clerics to formally condemn terrorism and pray for all terror victims. He went on to state, ''The terrorist acts of Osama bin Laden and his al Qaeda organization ... which result in the death of civilians, such as women and children ... are totally prohibited and are the object of strong condemnation within Islam.''
Sounds good so far.
But let's examine what this man did not say, as well as the timing of his little media-sensation fatwa.
This fatwa was timed to coincide with the 1-year anniversary of the bombing in Madrid. Sure, several hundred people died, but this is not the first time that hundreds, nay, thousands of people have died at the hands of Muslims merely because they weren't Muslim.
Therefore, one must ask why was there no such fatwa issued in the aftermath of 9-11? And why has no fatwa about the "...death of civilians, such as women and children'' ever been issued regarding the thousands upon thousands of Jewish/Israeli victims of genocidal terror ever been issued?
I will tell you why. This is al-Takeyya/Taqiyya at its most devious and deceptive. And the key word here is 'civilians.'
In radical Islam (Islamism), any Jew living in Israel is not considered either 'innocent' or a 'civilian.' Nor were the people living and working in America on 9-11. Islamists consider the 'Great Satan -- America,' and the 'Little Satan -- Israel,' to be enemy combatants. And this includes every man, woman or child, even babes in arms, even sleeping or in school or playing in playgrounds. This includes any and all who are not Islamists and who oppose being forced to kneel down and pay homage to Allah or his followers. In particular, Christians (whom they call 'Crusaders'), and Jews.
This also includes those of us who refuse to allow the Islamists to insidiously inject their politico-religious dogma into our way of life. And this especially includes Israel, whom the Islamists view as a polluting force in their quest for 'Arab unity' and a Judenrein Middle East.
So the fatwa issued by this Muslim cleric living in Spain was meant to put the free and civilized world into yet another coma. He was hoping we would see this supposedly 'peaceful and tolerant' religious edict and sing the praises of Islam and remind each other how it is a 'peaceful' religion, even though the word 'Islam' also means 'to submit,' and our utter and complete submission is what they are working towards.
The crafter of this latest religious edict, so proudly trumpeted to the world, has achieved nothing more than a clumsy attempt to delude us into thinking that Islamism is really nice and honorable and loving and peaceful. It is also meant to deceive us into believing that even though such edicts were never issued -- and will never be issued -- regarding Americans or Israelis, these particular Muslims are mainstream moderates.
Camel cakes! We are now familiar with the ploy of lying, omissions and deceit as sanctioned by al-Takeyya/Taqiyya. And some of us are not in a humanist/liberal feel-good coma like lambs going to the slaughter. And we will continue to alert you to the deceptions used by the Islamists.
The lesson to be learned here is not to look for what is said, but what is deliberately not said. If anything, this fatwa, by its omissions and timing (or lack thereof) has simply reinforced the fact that the Islamists do not see Israel or Judeo-Christian America as 'innocent.' It has reaffirmed that they see us all as ripe for deceit and murder in the name of Allah.
Yeah, a real cutie--on the road to hell. It makes me wonder what is in store for that youngster.....
Poor me? You don't know who you're talking to.
I'm a Christian who believes Islam is a totally false religion.
Does that mean I have to agree with the extremists here who think we should ban religious freedom in America for those we don't like?
So that's an excuse for us to become like them and support wiping an entire religion off the face of the earth?
What is wrong with you people?
So just how THEN do you propose to rid America and the world of all Muslims?
Unless you want to defend that kind of inflamatory and hateful rhetoric then what is your disagreement with me?
Maybe you can't understand that ''They'' did it in the name of allah (may he roast in pig fat) "they" do all their lovely little atrocities in the name of the fraudulant so-called "religion of peace"
"They" want to to revert (or in better words "regress") to their way of thinking--or they will kill you. Nice Twenty-first century thinking, eh?
I have a distinct problem with those that wish to obliterate my country. So please stow the "become like them" malarky, will you? Most of my family is from NYC--and many are firefighters, or in the military. I have seen the result of this revolting little cults way of dealing with whom they think is an infidel.
"Does that mean I have to agree with the extremists here who think we should ban religious freedom in America for those we don't like?"
No, just those who wish to kill us. Pretty good reason to not trust them I'd say....
With all due respect these hysterical responses are totally missing the point.
Who in this thread is defending the atrocities committed by warped Islamic terrorists?
NOBODY that I've seen.
I was addressing these knee-jerk extremists who see pictures like the one you posted and suggest we totally outlaw the religion of Islam.
I thought we had religious freedom in America?
Or don't you believe in that anymore?
An excuse??! AN EXCUSE??!
Listen, birdbrain! Ask the pregnant woman whose baby ran out like water on the sidewalk under the WTC if she considered that a good excuse!
Ask the people burned alive or ask the people their thoughts as they plunged to their deaths if they considered that "an excuse"!
Ask the thousands of people who have been slaughtered under the mandates of the Quran if they considered that "an excuse"!
You are pathetic!!
NO.
YOU SHOW ME how proposing we wipe out the religion of Islam is ANY DIFFERENT than the nuts who claim Islam demands they wipe out Jews and Christians?
You speak of Freedoms, lets examine that.
Freedom does not allow for the destruction of life and limb in the name of religion. Nor does it allow for the mass murder on a grotesque scale of those that your religion might refer to as "infidels". It sure as hell does not allow for those like a vertain fella named bin laden to go and obtain nukes or other "fun" way of converting others.
I have to wonder if you read what your post, most of it being drivel. You say you do not like islam, etc., but seem to think that they are just like any other peaceable religion.
Again, I ask you to see the results of what that religion likes to profess. Of course, we can just let them keep at it--all in the name of "Freedom of Religion".
No, just those who wish to kill us. Pretty good reason to not trust them I'd say....
Thank you. Finally something I can agree with!
I say we remove ALL Islamic terrorists from the earth.
What I took exception to were the posts suggesting we ban the entire religion of Islam.
This is America. We allow freedom of religion. I thought.
You don't seem to understand islam, so I'll reply to your rants when you DO learn.
Unless,of course, you DO know all about islam and WANT them to "freely practice" their religion as they see fit?
Try some of your excuses for islam in Tel Aviv and see how far they fly.
"These stupid knee-jerk responses that want to condemn an entire religious group are no better than the jihads of Islamic extremists."
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There is your post. My argument with you was that we ARE better than the jihads of Islamic extremists; there is no comparison between the violence of Islamic extremists and the voices of some of us on Free Republic.
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"So just how THEN do you propose to rid America and the world of all Muslims?"
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Did I make such a proposal? If so, chapter and verse please. But since you bring it up, if the sick, women-oppressing, murderous cult of islam were eradicated; think what a better place the world would be. That does not mean get rid of the people.(with the exception of those who have committed terror and murder, I have no problem with the eradication of the jihadist pondscum)
My hope is that the muslims who have not the stomach for the murder and mayhem that is ordained by the Koran will embrace a more loving and less violent faith and by this method rid the world of the dealth cult islam.
It's obvious you don't have a clue as to what my views are and just want somebody to vent your personal frustrations on.
You need to take a deep breath, calm down and go back and actually read my posts.
Sure, they have plenty of mosques where they raise money for terrorists and their orginizations.
Some freedom they have, eh?
YOU need to read some of YOUR posts. We can see that you have difficulty with our discussion of the TROP.
I think Texas Cowboy, and many of us as well, see what your posts mean clearly.
If you learn nothing else tonight, learn THIS!
Islam is not in America to coexist.
Islam is in America to DOMINATE!
So according to you if I understood Islam I would support the kooks who propose we totally ban the religion from America.
OK. Right.
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