Posted on 03/08/2005 10:35:34 AM PST by Grendel9
The Mexican government has asked U.S. officials to ensure illegal-immigration protesters patrolling the Arizona border next month do not abuse Mexican nationals caught illegally entering the United States. In a diplomatic note to U.S. officials, Geronimo Gutierrez, undersecretary for North American affairs at Mexico's Foreign Ministry, suggested it was "very probable" the protesters could violate the rights of illegal aliens, and that they must be monitored. "What there is concern about is that some of these actions that could be taken could be in violation of federal and state laws to the detriment of Mexican citizens," Mr. Gutierrez said. "Mexico doesn't want the rights of its citizens transgressed...
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Rush has got it right: Patriotic Americans will be assembling and demonstrating their protective love of this Great Nation. Even if I cannot join them, I will fully support them in their sentiments and expressions. Anyone who cannot stand up for this country when threatened by another nation (which is Mexico in this case) is a coward, a traitor or a communist.
Here's the strategery: Grendel, you keep copying and pasting this thread into a document so you can save it. yellowdoghunter, speak your mind. Don't silence yourself, let someone else do it and it will be to their detriment.
What problems?!
We need to reach out to others who are also against illegal-immigration:
We (Vietnamese) came through the process legally.
So others should get in line to get their papers"
Van Tran, California State Assemblyman
We feel the U.S. should treat illegal aliens the same way other countries treat their illegal aliens, and how Vietnamese illegal aliens and their children were treated. Vietnamese will be treated fairly and no longer be discriminated against by the U.S. Government if it does the following:
1. Enforce all immigration laws. At a minimum these enforcement measures should include:
A) Businesses should be required to check the validity of new employees Social Security or work permit numbers.
B) Local and state law enforcement officers should verify the citizenship and immigration status of everyone they apprehend. Every illegal alien they apprehend should be detained and transferred to the Homeland Security Departments ICE division for deportation.
2. Children born to illegal aliens and guest workers in the U.S. should not be given U.S. citizenship. The U.S. is totally out of step with the rest of the world in this regard.
3. Any long term guest worker program (1 year or more) should only include foreigners outside the United States, not illegal aliens inside the U.S. To protect the wages of Vietnamese-Americans, the guest worker recommendations of the Jordan Commission should be followed.
4. We support U.S. investment in high immigrant sending countries to create more opportunities there. For example, we support the proposal where the U.S. would match any new funds Mexico spend on infrastructure, education, and law-enforcement improvements if they also institute free-market and anti-corruption reforms. Since a dollar goes much further in these countries, many times more people could be helped this way instead of helping only a relatively few by letting them into the U.S.
5. The U.S. should not allow legalized illegal aliens nor anyone they sponsored to sponsor their relatives for family preference immigration. This would eliminate the increased waiting times past legalizations of illegal aliens has created. For the minor children and spouses of legalized illegal aliens, a seperate temporary category could be set up as was done from 1992 to 1994.
6. Waiting times and backlongs would be further reduced if the diversity visa category was eliminated and family preference immigration increased a similar amount. This would also increase U.S. diversity much more than the current system, since almost half of the diversity admitees are from Europe.
http://www.fairimmigration.com/id3.html
Do you have any examples of "overt racism" that have been posted? On the other hand, have you seen the numerous allowed posts viciously attacking the pro-LEGAL immigration posters?
Or perhaps is one of that pack of SOILs (Soft On Illegals Lobby) which usually come flocking to the immigration threads at the slightest hint of "protect the borders" or "national sovereignty" talk.
10 - 9 - 8 - 7....
Rush is supporting the Minutemen??????????
Someone, please confirm.
Or perhaps I will try to dig a bit...
Those who think they are helping the Mexican by tolerating illegal immigration need to think again. "Leave The Country" is Presidente Fox's only economic policy. This may help the mexican who leaves for the USA, but it is of no help to those poor Mexicans who love their country and choose to stay in Mexico.
Well stated!
Personally, I think it's bad policy for this site to attack our discussions in favor of enforcing immigration law. Since this is one of the top conservative forums on the web, it doesn't look good to suppress freedom of speech, especially the speech of patriots who love their country, believe in our laws and in defending our sovereignty.
I supported the Patriot Act in the past but now I think it is useless without getting serious about our borders. If we do not stop illegals and deport those already here we Americans will be doing strip searches forever before boarding our flights. We are in a sinking ship and we're spooning out the water without first plugging the holes.
http://jednet207.tripod.com/PoliticalLinks.html
There are numerous job ads in Palm Springs, California for 24/7 security guards to prevent these kinds of theft.
I can confirm; I heard him. To wit, "This is just Neighborhood Watch for the country, folks."
Don't be so sure......my guess is he's got pictures on somebody high up the ladder.
Isn't it interesting that we have gun toting agents in airports as gray-haired old folks get the shakedown treatment while the fedgov turns a blind eye to any number of rapists, murderers, diseased people crossing the border daily.....kinda makes one wonder what the real agenda might be.
Trust me, life is tough for the guy who crosses over looking for work. But, as I said in my post, its tougher back home. The worse the Mexican government makes it sound for the abuses their people face in the US, whether supposed or real, the more difficult it is for them to explain why their people would rather face these hardships than stay home.
And the answer is that the hardships are worse back home, the injustices are worse back home, and at the end of the day, back home they have little to show for their hardships, whereas even as illegals in the US they have a better chance at a life than they do as full citizens where they came from.
I did some training gigs in Mexico a few years ago, and many of the techs I was training had lived in the US. Several of them had come home when they heard of a factory opening up in their hometown. For a dollar an hour, they left jobs on ranches and restaurants in the US and came home. When you understand that its not really any cheaper to live in Mexico than it is in the States, despite what you might think, it is telling that a buck or two an hour is all it takes to keep them home.
The fact that Mexico can't manage that, when they are one of the largest oil producers in the world, when their number one product sells on the international market for dollars, speaks volumes. They believe that our prosperity derives from their "cheap" labor. They can't explain how it is that the source of that cheap labor is a stagnant economy, while we can pay that so-called "cheap" labor 5 or 10 times what they make at home, and thrive.
And the answer is easy. Rule of law. Clean courts. Relatively free economy, relatively honest public officials. Its that simple.
Doesn't ILLEGAL mean anything to you?
Of course, they are free-er here in every way! They would have to follow the strict, sometimes repressive, laws and M.O. at work in their country, the country they love so much. But they are spineless to do nothing about the situation there. So, they take the easy way and come here. But, they need to do so LEGALLY.
The builder I spoke with had a home Security System installed in the house we looked at, but it was almost ready to sell.
The problem is widespread, involving many different areas where there is new construction. It might help abit, but where there's a will, there's a way.
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Hey, I'm a "close-the-border-now" guy. I've lived and worked in Mexico, I like the people, there is even a lot about the country that I like. But I agree with you; they need to stay on their side of the border, and fix their country. We need to put the National Guard on the border and seal it.
And if our government won't do the job they are constitutionally bound to do, then citizens have the right and responsibility to do it themselves.
If the government doesn't want citizens doing it, then they need to get serious and get it done so citizens don't have to do it. Immigration policy should, first and always, serve the interests of citizens. Period. There is nothing inhumane about enforcing the law. There is nothing un-neighborly about maintaining the fence line.
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