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Medieval love letters ignite war of words in France
Stuff (New Zealand) ^ | 05 March 2005

Posted on 03/06/2005 2:41:41 PM PST by nickcarraway

PARIS: Two star-crossed medieval lovers, Abelard and Heloise, are again stirring passions in France as a literary controversy rages nearly 900 years after their affair.

At the heart of the drama is an obscure Latin text that some scholars say contains the long lost love letters written by the ill-fated pair. Others say the correspondence is fake.

The illicit liaison between Abelard, an up and coming 12th century philosopher, and the gifted young woman he tutored, shocked medieval Europe not least for its gruesome end.

Abelard was castrated on the orders of Heloise's uncle after she became pregnant with his child.

Translated for the first time into French, their publication this month has revived the scandal and divided historians in France and abroad.

Feelings ran high at a seminar in Paris where believers tried to convince skeptics the attribution is right.

"I don't think everyone in the room was convinced," said historian Sylvain Piron, who translated the correspondence, after a long day's debate on the subject.

"Some still believe it's a faked or forged collection."

Constant Mews, director of theological studies at Australia's Monash University, first came across the letters in a volume edited by the German Ewald Koensgen in 1974. The letters, ascribed simply to a man and woman, survived because a 15th century monk copied them for an anthology.

Mews spent two decades studying Abelard's philosophy before finally making his claim: that the 113 letters – the longest known correspondence from medieval times – were written by Abelard and Heloise.

SCANDAL AND PASSION

News of what scholars call the most famous scandal of 12th century France spread through contemporary Europe by word of mouth, in poetry and in the songs of troubadours.

Until Mews' work, their story was known to today's historians mainly through the letters they exchanged from their monasteries of exile, some 15 years after the events.

Abelard, 37 when he met Heloise, had a growing reputation as a scholar that prompted her uncle Fulbert, a canon at Notre Dame cathedral, to hire him to tutor his niece.

Heloise, about 20 and with a literary reputation of her own, was being educated with a view to becoming an abbess. Among the rare female authors of medieval times, she argued with passion that erotic love is compatible with friendship and God.

As their liaison grew and was consummated, Heloise conceived Abelard's child. She called her son Pierre Astrolabe, after the astronomer's instrument, to give them bearings for their love.

A furious Fulbert forced Abelard to marry her. Abelard agreed to marry in secret to minimize the damage to his career and to live apart.

After the wedding Fulbert, thinking Abelard was about to renege on the agreement, sent his henchmen to wreak revenge.

Abelard and Heloise lived separate religious lives until his death in 1142. Heloise, remembered as a symbol of tragic love, lived another 22 years and was just over 70 when she died.

In one of the letters ascribed to Heloise, she writes: "I prefer to be confined by the threat of death rather than live and be deprived of the sweet-flowing joy of the sight of you."

The pair are buried together in Paris's Pere Lachaise cemetery.

FACT OR FICTION?

Scholars who support the authenticity case say all the evidence in and around the text points to Abelard and Heloise. Opponents say that is too simple and want definitive proof.

They reject accusations of tunnel vision and deny they are motivated by professional envy at not having got there first.

"It's not jealousy, it's a question of method," said Monique Goullet, director of research in medieval Latin at Paris's Sorbonne University.

"If we had proof that it was Abelard and Heloise then everyone would calm down. But the current position among literature scholars is that we are shocked by too rapid an attribution process."

After years of research, Mews is all the more convinced.

"The first time I encountered the words and ideas they sent a shiver down my spine. Unfortunately, that has been attacked as evidence of an emotional response," he said. "There has been some very quick stereotyping of other people's arguments."

Most Latin experts agree the document is authentic and of great literary worth, but its uniqueness makes some scholars suspicious.

"The most probable explanation is that it is a literary work written by one person who decided to reconstitute the writings of Abelard and Heloise," Goullet said.

Others say it was a stylistic exercise between two students who imagined themselves as the lovers, or that it was written by another couple.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: abelard; france; godsgravesglyphs; heloise; latin; literature; middleages
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To: CzarNicky

"Kind of like closing the barn door after the horse got out."

Or in...or, something...

:)


22 posted on 03/06/2005 4:21:06 PM PST by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: Heisenberg

"Think we'll just play a couple of games of Scrabble and talk naughty instead. Much more sensible."

LOL, and with the Scrabble it's sufficiently intellectual, I think A. & H. would be pleased.


23 posted on 03/06/2005 4:51:52 PM PST by jocon307 (Vote George Washington for the #1 spot)
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To: GladesGuru
He might have been a pain in the butt to those around him, but Clemens had a LOT of people pegged right. "The Innocents Abroad" and "A Tramp Abroad" both talk extensively about French and German disdain for Americans (and Englishmen, to a lesser extent).

His rant about Abelard and Heloise (from the first book) might be a bit labored in spots, but I did like his take on Fulbert ("the old smooth bore"), and finally, here was a thread to put it in.

24 posted on 03/06/2005 4:57:43 PM PST by niteowl77
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To: Heisenberg

"Willy welly" is even more obscure - but gives a hint! *g


25 posted on 03/06/2005 4:57:46 PM PST by NCjim
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To: Graymatter

Yep, signed by Lt. Col. Jerry B. Killian, and produced on an IBM Selectric typewriter.


26 posted on 03/06/2005 5:00:56 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: nickcarraway

It's traditional to sympathize with these poor lovers...
But Mark Twain pointed out that the girl's father was doing what any red blooded American man would have done to the seducer of his innocent daughter...
And no one is PC enough to note he was 37, and she was barely a teenager...yes, the "records" say she was 16, but most girls back then married by 15, so one suspects that she had the baby at 16...


27 posted on 03/06/2005 5:11:06 PM PST by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: Heisenberg

mebbe ex-pres. bill and (fill in the blank) would be spotlighted?


28 posted on 03/06/2005 5:13:40 PM PST by dynachrome ("Where am I? Where am I going? Why am I in a handbasket?")
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To: Kirkwood
I'm doing some genealogical research in a large db.

Weird names like you wouldn't believe.

There's a Reverend from 17th cent Massachusetts named Consternation,

who named his son (also a Rev) Indignation (I bet his sermons were fun!)

who named his son (Rev.) Procrastination and his daughter Apotheosis.

Procrastination had chidren named Advantageous and Autochtonous. There's also and Indoctrination and a Hammorlecheth as descendents.

29 posted on 03/06/2005 6:14:20 PM PST by stands2reason (Mark Steyn on GWB: "This is a president who wants to leave his mark on more than a cocktail dress.")
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To: stands2reason

I knew a guy in high school named Cash. No, he didn't have a sister named Carry, but it would have been funny if he did.


30 posted on 03/06/2005 6:27:37 PM PST by Kirkwood
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To: Kirkwood; All

I can top that. One of the rival high schools in my county had a kid with the last name "Dickgraber." Graber pronounced gray-ber.

I remember it well, because not only was the name routinely mispronounced, I went to Boys' State with the guy and he mistakenly left his backpack somewhere. There was nearly a riot when the old American Legion guy asked a theater full of about 900 male high school juniors if David Dic...well, if he'd come up and get the backpack.


31 posted on 03/06/2005 7:23:12 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (The South will rise again? Hell, we ever get states' rights firmly back in place, the CSA has risen!)
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To: Heisenberg
Think we'll just play a couple of games of Scrabble and talk naughty instead. Much more sensible.

If you restrict yourselves to four-letter words you won't score much.

32 posted on 03/06/2005 9:06:35 PM PST by Erasmus (Note to novice female biologists: Learn how to fake an organism.)
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To: nickcarraway

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33 posted on 09/03/2009 4:16:49 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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