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CNN: US SUPREME COURT: ALL DEATH PENALTY CASES WITH JUVENILE KILLERS THROWN OUT!
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Posted on 03/01/2005 7:21:16 AM PST by Next_Time_NJ

The Supreme Court ruled Tuesday that the Constitution forbids the execution of killers who were under 18 when they committed their crimes, ending a practice used in 19 states.

The 5-4 decision throws out the death sentences of about 70 juvenile murderers and bars states from seeking to execute minors for future crimes.

The executions, the court said, were unconstitutionally cruel.

This report will be updated as details become available.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ban; deathpenalty; impeachthem; judicialtyranny; juveniles; levinsexactlyright; meninblack; readmarklevinsbook; ropervsimmons; ruling; scotus; supremecourt
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To: Netizen
What stops people from hiring juveniles to murder others?

The fact that the adult doing the hiring can be given the death penalty.

161 posted on 03/01/2005 7:50:14 AM PST by Modernman ("Normally, I don't listen to women, or doctors." - Captain Hero)
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To: HostileTerritory
Because banning the death penalty is equivalent to banning all punishment, right?

Yes. If someone has committed a crime that is worthy of death it is because they are too dangerous to be allowed out into society ever again and death is the only means we have to assure that.

You are putting other people at risk. That is not acceptable.

Your cute little snuggle bunny killers did not just happen to kill someone by accident. They either killed multiple victims or they killed in hideous ways.

162 posted on 03/01/2005 7:50:20 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (No one knows the shape of the future or where it will take us. We know only the way is paved in pain)
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To: Next_Time_NJ
Twenty-years of appeals is hardly a "quick needle." It's repulsive to think you or others depend on prison rape as further punishment for criminal acts.
163 posted on 03/01/2005 7:50:38 AM PST by newzjunkey (Demand Mexico Turnover Fugitive Murderers: http://www.escapingjustice.com)
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To: Next_Time_NJ
I am infavor of the death penality but not for young children.

Why don't you leave it up to circumstances and a jury?

164 posted on 03/01/2005 7:50:57 AM PST by eddie willers
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Here's one of your precious babies:

He's 17. How would you describe him if he'd been molested by a priest--would you talk about it as an adult affair, or child abuse? I know what the law says.
165 posted on 03/01/2005 7:51:00 AM PST by HostileTerritory
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To: Guillermo
Show me the 15 yr old executed (Since the dp was reinstated) and I'll eat my computer.
Juveniles are NOT executed in this country.


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166 posted on 03/01/2005 7:51:00 AM PST by Griptilian
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To: Erik Latranyi
That is why we need to start putting non-lawyer, citizens on the Supreme Court.

When was this done? I'm curious. Name one a Justice who wasn't a trained lawyer.

167 posted on 03/01/2005 7:51:03 AM PST by Publius Valerius
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To: Next_Time_NJ

Why do we even bother to prosecute and imprison criminals? The courts will just find a way, years later, to reduce their penalties.

How long before some judge figures that life in prison is also "unconstitutionally cruel".


168 posted on 03/01/2005 7:51:16 AM PST by MisterRepublican ("It’s my belief that (insert conspiracy), originated with Karl Rove and the White House.")
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To: Next_Time_NJ

Good for them. I just can't believe there were four people in support of killing children.

You're either pro-life, or you're not.


169 posted on 03/01/2005 7:51:44 AM PST by Quick1
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To: M 91 u2 K

If a 15 year old boy really, really loved his male teacher like an adult, and they had sex, would you view him as an adult?


170 posted on 03/01/2005 7:51:59 AM PST by HostileTerritory
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To: Modernman
Lower the age of majority to 17 or 16, then, for all purposes. You can't logically have it both ways- you can't treat a 16 year-old like an adult for some purposes but like a child for others.

Totally false. Children under the age of majority have almost, but not quite, all the rights of an adult. It is written into the Constitution and thus you certainly can have it both ways and it is the states who decide which ways.

171 posted on 03/01/2005 7:52:14 AM PST by jwalsh07
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To: CIB-173RDABN; CWW
I agree with both of you. You can bet the leadership of gangs in L.A. and elsewhere are celebrating this decision.
172 posted on 03/01/2005 7:52:26 AM PST by newzjunkey (Demand Mexico Turnover Fugitive Murderers: http://www.escapingjustice.com)
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To: shellshocked
I agree with this decision as it should be the parents on trial, which means parents have absolute authority over their children. Well, they are supposed to anyway.

So, someone whose 17 goes out and murders someone, their parent should be the ones to get the death pentalty/take responsibility?

Parents cannot control everything that their children do no matter how much they might try.

173 posted on 03/01/2005 7:52:32 AM PST by Netizen (jmo)
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To: Next_Time_NJ

I can't agree with that. Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris deserved to die, but fortunately took matters into their own hands.

I disagree with putting people to death who honestly had no grasp of the gravity of their actions, but that bar is so variable, making age 18 an ironclad litmus test is hardly more fair than taking every instance on a case-by-case basis.


174 posted on 03/01/2005 7:52:36 AM PST by Heavyrunner (Socialize this.)
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To: newzjunkey
The ends cannot ever be allowed to justify the means else you agree to tyranny and anarchy.

I'm not justifying the means. I'm saying I like the ends. I'm saying I got the result I wanted through a constitutionally fraudulent process. The result is still what I wanted but the processess is still constitutionally fraudulent.

175 posted on 03/01/2005 7:52:40 AM PST by Petronski (Zebras: Free Range Bar Codes of the Serengeti)
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To: HostileTerritory
I'm not speaking of the legal realities that provide different punishments, I'm curious about the morality that allows you to see a difference.
176 posted on 03/01/2005 7:52:42 AM PST by Tree of Liberty (requiescat in pace, President Reagan)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

We put murderers in jail ALL THE TIME. Very few of them get the death penalty. Do you think all of them should get the death penalty? Why do you suppose that hasn't happened?


177 posted on 03/01/2005 7:53:18 AM PST by HostileTerritory
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To: HostileTerritory
He's below the age of consent and can not be legally judged to be of the same sound mind as an adult committing the same crime. Put him in jail for as long as we need to, but he's not an adult any more than a 17 year old girl seeking to abort her baby is an adult.

So, during the night before her 18th birthday, she's given the sound mind of an adult and can then go seek to abort her baby? I'm missing something from your post.

178 posted on 03/01/2005 7:53:19 AM PST by houeto ("Mr. President , close our borders now!")
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To: Modernman
Lower the age of majority to 17 or 16, then, for all purposes. You can't logically have it both ways- you can't treat a 16 year-old like an adult for some purposes but like a child for others.

Some states had the death penalty for 16 years olds and rightly so.

179 posted on 03/01/2005 7:53:19 AM PST by M 91 u2 K (Kahane was Right!)
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To: Next_Time_NJ

There is NO valid consitutional basis for this decision.

No matter what you think about the death penalty, there is nothing in the Constitution which forbids execution of teenage thugs who murder.

Justice Kennedy is way off the beam when he cites trends in state practice to justify his decision. That has nothing to do with what the Constitution says. The law is not trends: it is what the law-makers intended. History shows that a decision like this was never in the minds of the framers of the Contitution.

These five justices are complete legal idiots. If a mentally retarded person is not responsible for his crimes, surely judges who are as dumb as the majority in this case cannot be left in a place of responsibility on the Supreme Court.

The issue of the Supreme Court and judicial review is probably the most important in the country. It is what brought us widespread abortion. It will bring us more crimes and lawlessness. Therefore, it is the one fight which we must win. All other political quarrels are as nothing next to this one.

We are in a bad way, because much of the legal establishment enjoys the sort of lawlessness which the Supreme Court majority practiced today. They have various theories which justify it, but all such theories are bogus, and miss the point. It is characteristic of the legalistic mind, prejudiced by ideology and befuddled by masses of detail, to miss the main point of things. One might describe their state as "induced insanity." There is probably nothing organically amiss with the brain of one of those five in today's majority, but they are acting crazy.

Perfectly intelligent people can act like idiots: that is the definition of a fool. It is probably the word we should use for Judge Kennedy those who joined him in this inexcusable decision.


180 posted on 03/01/2005 7:53:38 AM PST by docbnj
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