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Oldest Remains of Modern Humans Are Identified by Scientists
New York Times (AP Wire) ^ | February 16, 2005 | AP Wire

Posted on 02/16/2005 11:01:16 AM PST by Alter Kaker

NEW YORK (AP) -- A new analysis of bones unearthed nearly 40 years ago in Ethiopia has pushed the fossil record of modern humans back to nearly 200,000 years ago -- perhaps close to the dawn of the species.

Researchers determined that the specimens are around 195,000 years old. Previously, the oldest known fossils of Homo sapiens were Ethiopian skulls dated to about 160,000 years ago.

Genetic studies estimate that Homo sapiens arose about 200,000 years ago, so the new research brings the fossil record more in line with that, said John Fleagle of Stony Brook University in New York, an author of the study.

The fossils were found in 1967 near the Omo River in southwestern Ethiopia. One location yielded Omo I, which includes part of a skull plus skeletal bones. Another site produced Omo II, which has more of a skull but no skeletal bones. Neither specimen has a complete face.

Although Omo II shows more primitive characteristics than Omo I, scientists called both specimens Homo sapiens and assigned a tentative age of 130,000 years.

Now, after visiting the discovery sites, analyzing their geology and testing rock samples with more modern dating techniques, Fleagle and colleagues report in Thursday's issue of the journal Nature that both specimens are 195,000 years old, give or take 5,000 years.

Fleagle said the more primitive traits of Omo II may mean the two specimens came from different but overlapping Homo sapiens populations, or that they just represent natural variation within a single population.

To find the age of the skulls, the researchers determined that volcanic rock lying just below the sediment that contained the fossils was about 196,000 years old. They then found evidence that the fossil-bearing sediment was deposited soon after that time.

Paul Renne, director of the Berkeley Geochronology Center, which specializes in dating rocks, said the researchers made "a reasonably good argument" to support their dating of the fossils.

"It's more likely than not," he said, calling the work "very exciting and important."

Rick Potts, director of the Human Origins Program at the Smithsonian Institution's National Museum of Natural History, said he considered the case for the new fossil ages "very strong." The work suggests that "we're right on the cusp of where the genetic evidence says the origin of modern humans ... should be," he said.

G. Philip Rightmire, a paleoanthropologist at Binghamton University in New York, said he believes the Omo fossils show Homo sapiens plus a more primitive ancestor. The find appears to represent the aftermath of the birth of Homo sapiens, when it was still living alongside its ancestral species, he said.


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To: DannyTN
Early Babylonian map of the world circa 600BC:


161 posted on 02/17/2005 7:57:46 AM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: WildTurkey

Again, that's an interesting BABYLONIAN map.

But it doesn't match the thread. I'm confused.


162 posted on 02/17/2005 8:03:14 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN

If they were so "informed" back then why was their perspective on the world so wrong?


163 posted on 02/17/2005 8:13:53 AM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: DannyTN
And I will not withdraw.

Nor should you. What kind of bizarre self-importance would drive a poster to make such an absurd demand?

164 posted on 02/17/2005 8:35:55 AM PST by Dataman
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo
This is another one of the aspects of evolutionary theory that will some day make history students wag their heads in disbelief that so many educated people could be duped for so long by the teachings of a primitive-looking guru named Charlie.

Oh, I do so love a truth teller with a wicked sense of humor!

Thanks for the ping, Michael (some of those duped, educated people are on this very thread).

165 posted on 02/17/2005 8:37:59 AM PST by ohioWfan (George W. Bush........AVENGER of the BONES!!)
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To: Aquinasfan; Michael_Michaelangelo
Keep me on your ping list. I like your posts.

Me too. Me too. :o)

166 posted on 02/17/2005 8:39:33 AM PST by ohioWfan (George W. Bush........AVENGER of the BONES!!)
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To: DannyTN
"The supervisor (who did not return my phone messages) recounted the conversation to Mr. Sternberg, who also quotes her observing: "There are Christians here, but they keep their heads down."

But don't you remember, Danny. That was a 'religious' thread. LOL!

167 posted on 02/17/2005 8:41:15 AM PST by ohioWfan (George W. Bush........AVENGER of the BONES!!)
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To: ohioWfan

*snicker*


168 posted on 02/17/2005 8:43:38 AM PST by Michael_Michaelangelo (The best theory is not ipso facto a good theory. Lots of links on my homepage...)
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To: Alter Kaker

One skull and bones here and there does not a species make! If you found several hundred thousand, then I'd consider it as evidence.


169 posted on 02/17/2005 9:01:01 AM PST by Right in Wisconsin
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To: DannyTN

"Researcher" was not called out for his religion but for mixing religion into science.


170 posted on 02/17/2005 9:01:38 AM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: DannyTN
But you say anything supporting Intelligent Design and you are quickly shown the door.

That would be because no one is going to knock down an established theory except with a better theory that explains everything covered by the old theory and does a better job of predicting new data. Since ID doesn't have any research goals or research programs or research concepts, it isn't going anywhere. Don't tell me it isn't funded. Any research program that could actually support ID would have lots of funding. Biological and geological research is cheap by most standards.

You disagree? Fine, what kind of research would support ID and cause problems for evolution. Let's hear about it.

171 posted on 02/17/2005 9:02:05 AM PST by js1138
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To: Messianic Jews Net

Also, I will add to your argument that the theory of evolution was around way before Darwin, Darwin only wrote a book.


172 posted on 02/17/2005 9:04:05 AM PST by Right in Wisconsin
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To: DannyTN

"There are Christians here"

Your one example totally refutes your position. Thank you.


173 posted on 02/17/2005 9:05:18 AM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: WildTurkey

I believe the Bible states that the Earth is round, so for over 3000 years people of faith understood this. It was not the literal creationists who thought the earth was flat...Check your facts.


174 posted on 02/17/2005 9:06:03 AM PST by Right in Wisconsin
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To: WildTurkey

"but they keep their heads low"

No it doesn't totally refute my position. My position is they didn't bar Christians on the front end, but if they let it be known, then they are out.


175 posted on 02/17/2005 9:09:00 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: WildTurkey
""Researcher" was not called out for his religion but for mixing religion into science.

How did he mix religion into science? There was no mention of religion in the paper that was published. And the paper got through peer review.

But because the paper dealt with intelligent design, there was this firestorm of protest both to the paper that published it and to the smithsonian about any researchers who had provided information to Steven Meyer.

176 posted on 02/17/2005 9:13:05 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN
"There are Christians here, but they keep their heads down."

Can you give me any possible reason why people would not keep their religion to themselves while at work? Would you like to work next to a Muslim in recruiting mode? If you were in a science lab, would you like to hear about Mohamed's thoughts on the subject?

177 posted on 02/17/2005 9:14:55 AM PST by js1138
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To: Alter Kaker

Well, I wasn't there 200,000 years ago so I really cannot comment on whether this is true, or just a possibility.


178 posted on 02/17/2005 9:17:25 AM PST by RobRoy (They're trying to find themselves an audience. Their deductions need applause - Peter Gabriel)
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To: js1138

It doesn't say he was proseltysing on the job. All he did was provide some information to Steven Meyer for Meyer's paper on intelligent design.

It wasn't a Christian paper it was an ID paper.

For that the researcher was accused of being a "religious fundamentalist" which he apparently he isn't. And he's had his job threatened.


179 posted on 02/17/2005 9:19:03 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: Right in Wisconsin
One skull and bones here and there does not a species make! If you found several hundred thousand, then I'd consider it as evidence.

Since only a few dozen Tyrannosaurs have been discovered, are you suggesting that dinosaur fossils aren't real species?

180 posted on 02/17/2005 9:26:06 AM PST by Alter Kaker (Whatever tears one may shed, in the end one always blows one’s nose.-Heine)
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