Jesus was a good lookin' kid.
Posted on 02/12/2005 11:59:27 AM PST by NYer
Rome, Feb. 11, 2005 (CNA) - Forensic scientists in Italy are working on a different kind of investigation—one that dates back 2000 years.
In an astounding announcement, the scientists think they may have re-created an image of Jesus Christ when He was a 12-year old boy.
Using the Shroud of Turin, a centuries-old linen cloth, which many believe bears the face of the crucified Christ, the investigators first created a computer-modeled, composite picture of the Christ’s face.
Dr. Carlo Bui, one of the scientists said that, “the face of the man on the shroud is the face of a suffering man. He has a deeply ruined nose. It was certainly struck."
Then, using techniques usually reserved for investigating missing persons, they back dated the image to create the closest thing many will ever see to a photograph of the young Christ.
“Without a doubt, the eyes... That is, the deepness of the eyes, the central part of the face in its complexity”, said forensic scientist Andrea Amore, one of the chief investigators who made the discovery.
The shroud itself, a 14-foot long by 3.5-foot wide woven cloth believed by many to be the burial shroud of Jesus, is receiving renewed attention lately.
A Los Alamos, New Mexico scientist has recently cast grave doubt that the carbon dating originally used to date the shroud was valid. This would suggest that the shroud may in fact be 2000 years old after all, placing it precisely in the period of Christ’s crucifixion.
"The two pieces of cloth exist, and they both bear the same blood."
Maybe they were from the same reinactment (public or private) and done with great realism. Mel Gibson wasn't the originator of passion plays.
Good heavens, there have been people in this modern age that have had themselves nailed to a cross and crucified. Didn't one die in the Phillipines or South America doing that? That's reinactment to the extreme.
I contend that it's nothing new now and probably wasn't new 150 yrs after Golgotha. And people are making money on it, when the real treasure is obeying the gospel (tagline).
That's a possibility. However, if so, we are returned to the idea of a polymath with knowledge of many aspects of Jewish customs, crucifixtion, Roman scourging, etc., who also had the means to creat an image on linen.
We also now have the problem of the unescapable fact that the Sudarion of Oviedo has a KNOWN provenance going back 1200 years... 600 years more than the known provenance of the Shroud.
"I don't care about imagination; I care what scripture actually says."
You know, I don't think I've ever actually had any interaction with someone who professes to be a Christian yet isn't a Trinitarian. I knew you guys existed, I'd just never run across one. You want a scriptural basis for the Trinity? OK. Here's a quote from an article by His Grace Bishop Alexander of the Russian Orthodox Church Abroad:
"God the Father is the fountainhead of the Holy Trinity. The Scriptures reveal the one God is Three Persons - Father, Son, and Holy Spirit - eternally sharing the one divine nature. From the Father the Son is begotten before all ages and all time (Psalm 2:7; II Corinthians 11:31). It is from the Father that the Holy Spirit eternally proceeds (John 15:26). God the Father created all things through the Son, in the Holy Spirit (Genesis 1 and 2; John 1:3; Job 33:4), and we are called to worship Him (John 4:23). The Father loves us and sent His Son to give us everlasting life (John 3:16).
Jesus Christ is the Second Person of the Holy Trinity, eternally born of the Father. He became man, and thus He is at once fully God and fully man. His coming to earth was foretold in the Old Testament by the prophets. Because Jesus Christ is at the heart of Christianity, the Orthodox Church has given more attention to knowing Him than to anything or anyone else.
In reciting the Nicene Creed, Orthodox Christians regularly affirm the historic faith concerning Jesus as they say, "I believe... in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the only begotten, begotten of the Father before all ages, Light of Light, true God of true God; begotten, not made; of one essence with the Father; by Whom all things were made; Who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven, and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary, and was made man; and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate, and suffered and was buried; and the third day He rose again according to the Scriptures; and ascended into heaven, and sits at the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again with glory to judge the living and the dead; Whose kingdom shall have no end."
Incarnation refers to Jesus Christ coming "in the flesh." The eternal Son of God the Father assumed to Himself a complete human nature from the Virgin Mary. He was and is one divine Person, fully possessing from God the Father the entirety of the divine nature, and in His coming in the flesh fully possessing a human nature from the Virgin Mary. By His Incarnation, the Son forever possesses two natures in His one Person. The Son of God, limitless in His divine nature, voluntarily and willingly accepted limitation in His humanity in which He experienced hunger, thirst, fatigue - and ultimately, death. The Incarnation is indispensable to Christianity - there is no Christianity without it. The Scriptures record, "Every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God" (I John 4:3). By His Incarnation, the Son of God redeemed human nature, a redemption made accessible to all who are joined to Him in His glorified humanity.
The Holy Spirit is one of the Persons of the Holy Trinity and is one in essence with the Father. Orthodox Christians repeatedly confess, "And I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Giver of life, Who proceeds from the Father, Who together with the Father and the Son is worshipped and glorified." He is called the "promise of the Father" (Acts 1:4), given by Christ as a gift to the Church, to empower the Church for service to God (Acts 1:8), to place God's love in our hearts (Romans 5:5), and to impart spiritual gifts (I Corinthians 12:7-13) and virtues (Galatians 5:22, 23) for Christian life and witness. Orthodox Christians believe the biblical promise that the Holy Spirit is given through chrismation (anointing) at baptism (Acts 2:38). We are to grow in our experience of the Holy Spirit for the rest of our lives."
I might add the closing blessing in 2 Corinthians 14, "The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Spirit be with you all. Amen" There's more if you want it!
Jesus was a good lookin' kid.
YOU try growin' up knowin' you're going to be crucified at 33.
They would have to admit that Jesus is real and that the Shroud of Turin is his gift to us who believe in and love him.
Ack! I was married to a man for six months that looked just like that. First and last for me.
Look at his eyes. Empty. IMO not the eyes of Christ as I would imagine.
"8:1 But avoid divisions, as being the beginning of evils. Do ye all follow the bishop, as Jesus Christ doth the Father; and follow the presbyters as the apostles; and have respect unto the deacons as unto the commandment of God. Let no one, apart from the bishop, do any of the things that appertain unto the church. Let that eucharist alone be considered valid which is celebrated in the presence of the bishop, or of him to whom he shall have entrusted it.
8:2 Wherever the bishop appear, there let the multitude be; even as wherever Christ Jesus is, there is the catholic Church. It is not lawful either to baptize, or to hold a love-feast without the consent of the bishop; but whatsoever he shall approve of, that also is well pleasing unto God, to the end that whatever is done may be safe and sure.
9:1 It is reasonable for the future to be vigilant, and while we have yet time, to repent unto God. It is well to honour God and the bishop; he who honoureth the bishop, is honoured of God; he who doeth anything without the knowledge of the bishop, serveth the devil.
By the way, lest there be any misunderstanding of +Ignatius use of the word "Catholic", he is using a Greek word meaning universal. As the Fathers taught, Popes, being the bishops of Rome and Patriarchs of the West, do stand in the place of Christ within the Church, as do all the other bishops. I'd recommend the letters of +Ignatius of Antioch to you as they discuss a wide range of subjects including the Virgin birth, the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist and ecclesiastical structure and these letters, as I said, were written in the 1st Century by a man who was a disciple of +John and appointed to his episcopal see, the second largest in the Roman Empire, by +Peter himself.
Oh, come on. Read the passages cited. That's the point of the post, my friend. Its a good collection of what Orthodox people usually cite for the nature of God in the Trinity. It is also a collection of many of the cites used by the Fathers. Don't make me type all that out on a Sunday morning before Liturgy, please!
I don't think I've commented on the pictures, friend. Frankly I agree with you. My Greek great-grandmother would too; she was convinced that Christ was a Greek boy on His mother's side! :)
Isn't that about the time the Catholic church got started?
ref. historian Peter de Rosa
God's Truth always wins out in the end. Sometimes that end will not be in this age but you can count on the fact that all false things will be revealed when we see Him face to face. Most people forget this and so they put their trust in chariots, etc.
The guy on the shroud looks like Rasputin.
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