Forensic Scientists reveal what Jesus may have looked like as a 12-year old

Catholic News Agency ^ | February 12, 2005

[NYer]

Rome, Feb. 11, 2005 (CNA) - Forensic scientists in Italy are working on a different kind of investigation—one that dates back 2000 years.

In an astounding announcement, the scientists think they may have re-created an image of Jesus Christ when He was a 12-year old boy.

Using the Shroud of Turin, a centuries-old linen cloth, which many believe bears the face of the crucified Christ, the investigators first created a computer-modeled, composite picture of the Christ’s face.

Dr. Carlo Bui, one of the scientists said that, “the face of the man on the shroud is the face of a suffering man. He has a deeply ruined nose. It was certainly struck."  

 Then, using techniques usually reserved for investigating missing persons, they back dated the image to create the closest thing many will ever see to a photograph of the young Christ.

“Without a doubt, the eyes... That is, the deepness of the eyes, the central part of the face in its complexity”, said forensic scientist Andrea Amore, one of the chief investigators who made the discovery.

The shroud itself, a 14-foot long by 3.5-foot wide woven cloth believed by many to be the burial shroud of Jesus, is receiving renewed attention lately.

A Los Alamos, New Mexico scientist has recently cast grave doubt that the carbon dating originally used to date the shroud was valid. This would suggest that the shroud may in fact be 2000 years old after all, placing it precisely in the period of Christ’s crucifixion.

[jwalsh07]

The Divine Name is numerically one, and yet in this One Name there are three persons distinguished: The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit (Matthew 28:19-20).

[jwalsh07]

If you're going to read things into scripture, then you can prove most anything. The existence of ghosts and psychics, for example. Or that the sun revolves around the earth

:-} Well we know what Maimonides said about scripture and science. But this one is pretty straightforward. The Divine Name is numerically one, and there are three persons.

We're not going anywhere here. You like chocolate, I like vanilla.

[nmh]

Obvioulsy we don't agree.

Any time there is a "graven image" what do people do?

PRAY to it.

God knew this and why he forbid US from creating them. Today they do it and in Biblical times they did it - does the "golden calf" ring a bell?

Jews also have NO graven images. They know it is wrong. I should qualify that with Orthodox.

[Cronos]

You're stretching the definition of "literate" to include only those with a University or Seminary education; the common people did not speak Latin during much of the Middle ages, but many of them could read and write their native tongues.

Well, actually that's not true -- writing in vernacular languages didn't occur until late in the middle ages. all those who would READ and WRITE in Western Europe could do so in Latin

[Cronos]

Leo XII decreed that "all vernacular versions, even those prepared by Catholic authors, are prohibited if they are not, on the one hand, approved by the Apostolic See, or, on the other hand, supplied with proper annotations and accompanied by episcopal approbation."

That doesn't ban it -- it just ensures that the translations were accurate -- look at what's happened since the Protestants started making their own interpretations of the Bible -- Jehovah's witnesses, Christian Scientists etc.

And look at the issues over translations that beset the early church. The aim was to ensure that people were taught the exact words and translation CAN be tricky

[kosta50]

Thanks for the ping! Good topic. And you and Kolo are doing a great job of lifiting some of that haze from the Protestant eyes.

[olde north church]

Out of curiosity, would my opinion outweigh yours on the ground that I've read the entirety of scripture some two dozen times? And studied it for 20 years, not 3?
Opinion outweigh? Ummm, no.
Read it two dozen times? So what?
Studied it 20 years? Most Pharisees didn't study it, they lived it.
It seems even with your impeccable, ummm, credentials, you overlook one essential point, it's not the words, it's the meaning and you are distant from it.

[Cronos]

Hardly. Since the first century, the church underwent the apostasy predicted by Paul, Peter and John, until it became the antithesis of the religion established by Christ. Among other things, the apostate church produced a bishop with the unmitigated gall to call himself "Christ on Earth", to introduce the worship of dead men such as the apostles, and to begin slaughtering any Christian that disagreed with the pronouncements of "the Church". Not only would Christ not recognize the Church as it became by the fourth century, but he will deal harshly with it when he gets back.

So, lemmesee. You say that the church has not been Christian since the first century? No bishop called himself Christ on Earth -- Christ's representative on Earth maybe, not Christ himself. Just as a diplomat is a representative of the President in a foreign land. Worship of apostles? We Christians don't do that. So, I guess you follow Gnostic teachings -- the ones supposedly persecuted by the "false" church?

[Cronos]

Not only would Christ not recognize the Church as it became by the fourth century, but he will deal harshly with it when he gets back.

And on what basis do you make those TWO assertions? The first can be easily disproved and the second is hilarious -- how can YOU (or anyone) know the mind of God??

[Cronos]

, the seed for Arianist belief was obviously the result of Hindu or Buddhist missionaries in the Middle East.

Actually I would have thought that Buddhist teachings were behind Gnosticism, not Arianism.

[Cronos]

What you call the "foundation of Christian thought" is in fact the foundation of Catholic dogma. Rome's daughter churches believe Roman dogma, despite their protestations to believe "only scripture".

You mean Rome's 'daughter' churches like the Greek Church, the Coptic Church, the Armenian church etc.? They'd laugh at that suggestion -- they are equally old and of Apostolic succession as the Roman church and no, they did not take Roman dogma.

[Cronos]

If there had been no Catholic church, then the doctrines taught by Christ might be believed, rather than Catholic dogma (which you rightly identify as the source of Protestant dogma).

if what you say about Catholic teachings allegedly distorting scripture are true, then how could the MArthomite Church in Southern India that grew separate from Rome -- indeed the church was founded by St. Thomas before the Church in Rome -- how could that church have the same concepts of belief? And this was before contact with the Latin church in the 15th century

[Cronos]

I would think that "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit". tells you to baptise nations in the names of 3 and yet maintains that there is ONE God. What does that tell you???

[Natural Law]

Why do you wrap your arguement in the old testament when Jesus came to make a new and everlasting covenant?