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WorldNetDaily: Gates, Buffett, China 'run from dollar'
World Net Daily ^ | February 3rd, 2005 | Craig R. Smith

Posted on 02/03/2005 8:40:47 AM PST by Paul Ross

Thursday, February 3, 2005



Gates, Buffett, China
'run from dollar'

Expert sees development as sharp warning to Americans


Posted: February 3, 2005
1:00 a.m. Eastern


© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com

Decisions by the world's two wealthiest men to bet on a further weakening of the U.S. dollar, coupled with China's lack of confidence in American currency should grab the attention of every working person, says Craig Smith, CEO of Swiss America Trading.


Warren Buffett (Photo: Honolulu Advertiser)

Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates is following the example of Berkshire Hathaway Chairman Warren Buffett, who made a pretax gain of $412 million in the fourth quarter of 2004 by buying foreign currencies.

Citing widening U.S. trade and budget deficits and a federal debt of $7.62 trillion, Gates said in a TV interview at the World Economic Forum in Switzerland last weekend he expects the dollar to extend its three-year decline.

"I'm short the dollar," Gates said, according to Bloomberg News. "The ol' dollar, it's gonna go down."

Smith, whose company specializes in tangible assets, told WorldNetDaily he can't believe this news is not the big headline across the nation.

"When I saw this quote, literally I had to catch my breath," Smith said. "This is a clear-cut signal that the people who know money are running -- they are not walking -- in my opinion, they are running from the dollar."

Smith said the actions of Buffett, worth more than $42.9 billion, and Gates, $46.6 billion, are significant in light of the lack of confidence recently expressed by leaders of the world's fastest growing economy, China, which has its currency pegged to the dollar.

Fan Gang, director of the National Economic Research Institute in Beijing, said last week at the World Economic Forum that "the U.S. dollar is no longer -- in our opinion -- a stable currency and is devaluing all the time."

Chinese Central Bank adviser Yu Yongding also has chastised U.S. policy makers, saying, "The U.S. should take the lead in putting its own house in order."

Hedging your bet

Since the beginning of 2002, the dollar has dropped 26 percent against a basket of six major currencies, and the trade deficit grew to a record $609 billion. In addition, the Bush administration expects the budget deficit this year to hit an all-time high of $427 billion.

Smith notes that big investors such as Buffett, Gates and the Bank of China can hedge their portfolios by shorting the dollar -- making a profit off of its decline -- but the average person must turn to tangible assets such as gold.

"That's why this [news] is music to our business," he said.

Dollar-denominated investments such as retirement, 401K, college and savings accounts are in jeopardy with the currency's slide, Smith said.

"An average American has to ask himself this question, 'If the two richest men in the world are abandoning the dollar, why should I stay in it?'"

Stephen Moore, senior fellow in economics at the Cato Institute in Washington, told WorldNetDaily, he still believes it's anybody's guess which way the dollar will head.

"These guys have been famously wrong in the past," Moore said, referring to Gates and Buffett, who are partners in investment deals. "I don't think there are any gurus who know what is going to happen."

Moore says he has faith in the Bush administration and Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan, whose announcement today of a quarter-percent interest-rate hike led to a rise in the dollar.

"I think the dollar has fallen about as much as it should," Moore said, "and the fact that the White House and Greenspan have made it clear that the dollar's decline is not good for the consumer makes it more likely it will be addressed."

Smith points out, however, that when the dollar began sliding in 2000, then-Treasury Secretary John O'Neill said the Bush administration would maintain a strong dollar policy. When O'Neill was replaced with John Snow, the new secretary said the same thing.

"It still kept falling," Smith said. "We can't depend on the dollar, with the debt, the twin deficits and the trade gap."

Smith points out the silver lining that usually accompanies a drop in the dollar -- an increase in exports because U.S. products become cheaper for foreigners -- has not materialized.

In fact, the November report was predicted to show a trade deficit of some $50 billion, but instead turned out to be $60.3 billion.

Losing our place?

Greenspan has expressed concern that the deficits poses the risk that investors may stop buying U.S. assets, propelling the dollar even lower.

In that situation, Smith said, interest rates will have to rise in order to encourage people to hold on to the dollar. But consequently, he warns, the "stock market goes in the toilet."

Smith said his big concern is that ultimately the U.S. may lose its place as the reserve currency of the world.

He speculates that this possibility may be behind the investment strategies of Gates and Buffet.

"We are first world reserve currency issued by a debtor nation," Smith said. "How long will the rest of the world accept that?"




TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; Government; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: coinscam; currency; debt; decline; dollar; imbalance; inflation; manufacturing; reservecurrency; trade
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To: Zon

Towards a freer market economy and probably a freer (and more peaceful world). Doves and Dollars, how cool.


61 posted on 02/03/2005 9:59:28 AM PST by Dead Dog
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To: Paul Ross

..so the stock markey will tank if interest rates rise. Wow it is going to be bad. The stock market has really sucked for the most part the last 4-5 years with super low interst rates. It is really really going to suck if interest rates rise.


62 posted on 02/03/2005 9:59:49 AM PST by superiorslots
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To: Paul Ross

The Chinese seem to have forgotten that the US will be paying back the debt that they still hold with dollars that they are helping to make worth less.


63 posted on 02/03/2005 9:59:52 AM PST by anonsquared
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To: Southack
"The fair is something that comes to town once a year...for children."

lol... how petty. Yes, it does mean that, it also means, among other definitions;

fair: adj. just and honest, impartial, unprejudiced, according to the rules.

Are you saying you didn't understand the meaning I meant?

you said;"But you haven't seen groceries here in the U.S. rise 30% since 2002...even though compared to foreign currencies, the Dollar has dropped that much."

It will. Inflation always lags currency devaluation.

Why do you think the Reserve has been raising the prime rate so furiously lately? They are trying to get ahead of the inflation that is surely coming. Unfortunately it is too little, too late. The Federal reserve lending rate has almost nothing to do inflation. That is caused by government spending. Market forces do the rest.
64 posted on 02/03/2005 10:01:03 AM PST by monday
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To: Southack
I note you couldn't respond to the facts, which your selective attack (which also misfired) missed these indisputed items:

Butter for your bread: up 62 percent. A glass of 2 percent milk to wash it all down: It may rise as much as 50 cents a gallon ...and gasoline up 30 cents a gallon since January.

Hello? Is anybody in there?

Instead you merely cast aspersions, i.e.,

Some people don't know when they are beaten or when to come in from the rain...and you're all wet.

You have been hoist by your own petard.

65 posted on 02/03/2005 10:03:50 AM PST by Paul Ross (Ben Franklin: Gentlemen, We gave you a Republic...if you can keep it.)
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To: Paul Ross
"You postulate facts which are not all in fact real. The wages are not going up."

"In the United States, wages increased fivefold between 1860 and 1960. Adjusted for inflation and expressed in 1982 dollars, the typical weekly wage of a U.S. worker increased from $262 in 1960 to ... $270 in 1998..." http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/w1/wages.asp

Expressed in 1982 Dollars, that weekly rate had further INCREASED to $279.68 by 2004. http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/surveymost

66 posted on 02/03/2005 10:05:16 AM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Paul Ross; Southack
The price of medical care is beyond the uninsured, and is inflating far faster than the normal inflationary pace. And the need for medical care will only balloon as the population greys. The home ownership demographic is great, however, we need to recognize it was due to the historically aberrant low mortgage rates. Not seen this low since the 50's. Not sustainable, as we will soon see.

And on top of all of this horrible news I can't order a 2006 Z06 Corvette yet! What's up with that!!!!??

67 posted on 02/03/2005 10:05:28 AM PST by isthisnickcool (Denny Crane: "I look to two things: First to God and then to Fox News.")
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To: MojoWire

I think this is a new front on the cold war between the USA and the EU. I think the euro is seen as more "corruptable" and easily manipulated than the dollar.

I find it absolutly amazing that NONE of the euro currency scandals have even approached the MSM in the USA. The do get brief mention in the government controlled europress but by the time they hit there, the scandal has been swept under the rug and the public only gets the tip of the iceberg. (ie have to explain why such a large group is being fired, or indicted, or arrested)

Could it be that the mega players want one world currency? one world tax system?

Could it be that these mega playes are playing the "i got mine" hand?

There is more to this than some swiss paper pusher.


68 posted on 02/03/2005 10:06:27 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: isthisnickcool
I can't order a 2006 Z06 Corvette yet! What's up with that!!!!??

Your living standard is too low. Get to work, instead of playing at FR!

69 posted on 02/03/2005 10:06:48 AM PST by Paul Ross (Ben Franklin: Gentlemen, We gave you a Republic...if you can keep it.)
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To: Southack

1982 figures, and 1998 figures, have nothing to do with what is currently happening in trade. Give it up.


70 posted on 02/03/2005 10:07:53 AM PST by Paul Ross (Ben Franklin: Gentlemen, We gave you a Republic...if you can keep it.)
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To: Paul Ross
"The home ownership demographic is great, however, we need to recognize it was due to the historically aberrant low mortgage rates. Not seen this low since the 50's. Not sustainable, as we will soon see."

Sub 6% home loans are sustainable by a population with less than 6% unemployment so long as Productivity makes even modest gains...something that is rather normal for Americans.

71 posted on 02/03/2005 10:09:16 AM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: SolidSupplySide

The Fed routinely makes huge mistakes, however the Bush administration signalled an end to its weak dollar policy last December, and so far the dollar has strengthened. Gates and Buffet are going to lose on this one. They are letting their politics get the best of them, which should be fun for the rest of us to watch.


72 posted on 02/03/2005 10:09:28 AM PST by Moonman62 (Republican - The political party for the living.)
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To: Dead Dog

Doves and Dollars, how cool.

You got it. :-)

The world has never endured a war or counter-productive destruction of values  between business and science -- between and among businessmen and scientists.

Despite it never occurring, Chicken Littles -- parasitical elites -- have endlessly proclaimed to protect the "little guy" from it/them. Yet they slap Enron executives' wrists -- whom never produced real values, yet caused much financial hardship -- while they make an example of Martha Stewart.

73 posted on 02/03/2005 10:09:45 AM PST by Zon (Honesty outlives the lie, spin and deception -- It always has -- It always will.)
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To: isthisnickcool

"And on top of all of this horrible news I can't order a 2006 Z06 Corvette yet! What's up with that!!!!??"

wow.... things really are bleak.... hehe;^)


74 posted on 02/03/2005 10:10:52 AM PST by monday
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To: Paul Ross
"Oh really, and your proof for that is precisely where?"

In the grocery store. Do they not let you out of your "home" to go to the store anymore?!

75 posted on 02/03/2005 10:11:11 AM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Paul Ross
"It may rise as much as 50 cents a gallon..."

That's a guess, not a fact. Learn the difference.

76 posted on 02/03/2005 10:13:08 AM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Paul Ross; Southack
"Didn't happen in the Great Depression, which the coming collapse will likely eclipse."

You doom and gloomers have been predicting the collapse of our economy due to the "twin deficits" for two years now. Maybe you could do us all a favor and tighten the window a little bit. When will this occur? The next 6 months, a year, two years from now?
77 posted on 02/03/2005 10:13:09 AM PST by Mase
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To: Southack
Sub 6% home loans are sustainable by a population with less than 6% unemployment so long as Productivity makes even modest gains...something that is rather normal for Americans.

Stated as if it was an edict from a liberal economist such as John Kenneth Galbraith. Not buying that soap.

78 posted on 02/03/2005 10:13:27 AM PST by Paul Ross (Ben Franklin: Gentlemen, We gave you a Republic...if you can keep it.)
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To: Moonman62
The Fed routinely makes huge mistakes, however the Bush administration signalled an end to its weak dollar policy last December, and so far the dollar has strengthened.

I did not mean to imply that the Fed never makes mistakes. I was merely making a prediction that they won't this time. I think this is an outlook we share.

79 posted on 02/03/2005 10:14:27 AM PST by SolidSupplySide
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To: Paul Ross
Your living standard is too low. Get to work, instead of playing at FR!

"Low living standard". Oh, I get it, you think I should buy the Viper instead, eh? I'll be conservative and stick with the Vette. And I'll be sure to use the zero interest financing like I awlways do.

"Get to work" you say? That's a problem. But I have people for that. Oops, looks like they are busy.

Oh, well....

80 posted on 02/03/2005 10:16:18 AM PST by isthisnickcool (Denny Crane: "I look to two things: First to God and then to Fox News.")
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