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Corporate jet crashes during takeoff
MSNBC

Posted on 02/02/2005 4:46:08 AM PST by HAL9000

breaking on msnbc


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; US: Illinois; US: New Jersey; US: New York
KEYWORDS: 448alliance; airport; bergencounty; crash; generalaviation; nojets; planecrash; rba; route46; rt46; teterboro; teterboroairport; toosmall
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To: Velveeta

Yes, my point exactly Mr. Velveeta, or Ms., and being a discussion forum I am discussing facts and theories of my own. You made your say, I made mine, thank you for your input. Discussion forums wouldn't be too exciting if everyone had the same point of view don't you agree? My point to the gentleman was him making the point that as a former journalist it was his job to speculate, well, speculation in aviation accidents need not always point to terror, accidents can and will happen. The sky is not always falling. The glass is half full... etc. etc.


241 posted on 02/02/2005 7:27:43 AM PST by Bigturbowski
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To: Calpernia

I'm not sure, I only know of one. I'll check back.


242 posted on 02/02/2005 7:27:53 AM PST by freeperfromnj
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To: Calpernia

Look at Murphy63's posts on this thread.


243 posted on 02/02/2005 7:28:52 AM PST by RushCrush (Trolls are boring)
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To: SlowBoat407
"Tell that to the Challenger crew."

Do you even know that icing caused this crash? When icing does cause crashes it isn't because the deicing crews didn't know what they were doing, it is because the wings re iced while waiting for takeoff.
244 posted on 02/02/2005 7:30:03 AM PST by monday
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To: monday

I'm just responding to your comment that it isn't rocket science. In the case of the Challenger, icing and freezing of the O-rings in the solid rocket boosters was the cause of the explosion, and that, monday, is rocket science.


245 posted on 02/02/2005 7:32:25 AM PST by SlowBoat407 (Speculating idiot)
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To: RushCrush

Interesting read.
And he signed up today.
Wonder how long until he claims to be related to someone in the plane or in one of the cars?


246 posted on 02/02/2005 7:33:15 AM PST by Darksheare (Trolls beware, the icy hands of the forum wraith are behind you!)
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To: Bigturbowski

I've never seen so many posting-Nazis move so fast to try to tell members of a discussion forum to shut up. Some folks missed their Big Career as a Hall Monitor.


247 posted on 02/02/2005 7:34:19 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: Mamzelle

Happens all the time. For instance, just go to a Limbaugh thread and wait for the freaks to come out and point out his marital inadequacies....it gets old.


248 posted on 02/02/2005 7:35:56 AM PST by RushCrush (Trolls are boring)
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To: BigSkyFreeper; Trust but Verify; Lazmataz; Gondring
These NTSB folks are just wasting everyone's time going around investigating. We've got enough armchair investigators to take care of this.

Don't forget: It's Islam's fault!

249 posted on 02/02/2005 7:36:56 AM PST by Chemist_Geek ("Drill, R&D, and conserve" should be our watchwords! Energy independence for America!)
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To: Chemist_Geek

Pilot forgot his EZ pass..was veering to the tool booths..


250 posted on 02/02/2005 7:37:59 AM PST by ken5050
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To: Mamzelle
"Technology and development is favoring the smaller jet. Within a couple of years, a "jet taxi" will be available for under a million."

Actually you can buy a jet for under a million now. The reason there aren't more of them is that flying by jet is still really expensive in terms of fuel, flight crew, maintenance, insurance, etc. The cost to operate a jet can be upwards of $1500 an hour. Its still too expensive for average people, even average millionaires.
251 posted on 02/02/2005 7:38:37 AM PST by monday
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To: Mamzelle

I've never seen so many posting-Nazis move so fast to try to tell members of a discussion forum to shut up. Some folks missed their Big Career as a Hall Monitor.

Thank you so much Mam... for the sake of the discussion I wish I could argue with you LOL! But then someone might get mad again!


252 posted on 02/02/2005 7:38:48 AM PST by Bigturbowski
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To: RushCrush
I saw the posts. I'm not sure how comments to a news thread constitutes for a conspiracy theory.

Now posting a thread with unverified facts would be more qualified for a conspiracy theory.
253 posted on 02/02/2005 7:38:49 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia

well it seems very conspiracy-esque to me.....I could be wrong.


254 posted on 02/02/2005 7:39:27 AM PST by RushCrush (Trolls are boring)
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To: WestCoastGal; Velveeta; All; TexasCowboy

Maybe your answer is in these links? I can't see them this morning.
granny

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255 posted on 02/02/2005 7:39:51 AM PST by nw_arizona_granny (The enemy within, will be found in the "Communist Manifesto 1963", you are living it today.)
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To: ken5050

THAT was funny!


256 posted on 02/02/2005 7:40:19 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia

Also-murphy63 just joined today.

Ok so i'm PARANOID!!!!!!!!


257 posted on 02/02/2005 7:41:19 AM PST by RushCrush (Trolls are boring)
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To: Calpernia

If you've EVER been stuck in a toll line on the GWB ..it's true..


258 posted on 02/02/2005 7:41:32 AM PST by ken5050
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To: RushCrush

Just said on NJ101.5 that there are no fatalities being reported.

I can't believe everyone survived from the flames I saw on the news feed.

Thank God; but I'm rather shocked.


259 posted on 02/02/2005 7:42:48 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: monday

Source? Like the fact I was trained by a major carrier and Boeing in de-icing procedures? Nope, no source.


260 posted on 02/02/2005 7:43:47 AM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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