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Corporate jet crashes during takeoff
MSNBC

Posted on 02/02/2005 4:46:08 AM PST by HAL9000

breaking on msnbc


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; US: Illinois; US: New Jersey; US: New York
KEYWORDS: 448alliance; airport; bergencounty; crash; generalaviation; nojets; planecrash; rba; route46; rt46; teterboro; teterboroairport; toosmall
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To: Calpernia

Yes, very spooky.


201 posted on 02/02/2005 6:42:28 AM PST by nw_arizona_granny (The enemy within, will be found in the "Communist Manifesto 1963", you are living it today.)
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To: HAL9000
The Alliance 448 jet that rolled off the runway in Atlanta last year - a Gulfstream 3, not the one that crashed today - was carrying Magic Johnson as a passenger.

There has been some controversy recently about NBA players investing in aircraft.

202 posted on 02/02/2005 6:44:28 AM PST by HAL9000 ("You still have the mind of a retarded 5 year old." - KwasiOwusu)
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To: michigander; HAL9000; WestCoastGal; Alamo-Girl; onyx; ALOHA RONNIE; SpookBrat; ...
Corporate jet crashes during takeoff

Excerpt:

TETERBORO, N.J. -- A plane has slammed into a building after going off the runway at Teterboro Airport.

It appears the private jet broke through a fence and skidded across Route 46 into the building.


Please let me know if you want ON or OFF my General Interest ping list!. . .don't be shy.


203 posted on 02/02/2005 6:45:14 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: kendu

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050202/ap_on_re_us/plane_crash_9

Plane Skids Off Runway, Crashes in N.J.

5 minutes ago



By WAYNE PARRY, Associated Press Writer

TETERBORO, N.J. - A corporate jet sped off the end of a runway while attempting to take off from Teterboro Airport on Wednesday, hurtling across a highway during the morning rush hour and slamming into a warehouse. At least 11 people were injured and two were missing.



One witness said the pilot crawled out of the wreckage and said the crew lost control of the plane.

State police said two people were missing and 11 were injured in the crash. It was not immediately clear whether all those people were on the plane. The plane appeared to have struck at least one car.

It was headed for Midway Airport in Chicago, said Greg Martin, a spokesman for the Federal Aviation Administration (news - web sites) in Washington. Another FAA (news - web sites) spokesman, Jim Peters, said the jet was carrying 12 passengers and two crew members.

One witness said the plane never made it off the ground after "sliding and skidding" down the runway.

"Usually we see them lift off, but this one just went straight and started scratching the ground. There were sparks shooting out all over the place," said Joseph Massaro, a psychologist who lives nearby.

Video from television station helicopters showed wheel tracks, plainly visible in snow, that ran straight off the end of the runway, through a fence and a snow bank and then across six-lane U.S. 46.

Witness Robert Sosa told WNBC-TV he saw the plane crash into the building.

"Two guys came off with their hand cuts," Sosa said. "The pilot said he dragged himself out. He literally crawled out like a baby, and all the other people just walked out normal."

"He said as they tried to airborne before five minutes past (7 a.m.), they just lost control and they couldn't airborne the plane. They went straight through, 100 miles per hour," Sosa said.

Martin said communication between the air traffic control and the aircraft was routine and the aircraft had been cleared for takeoff.

Martin identified the aircraft as a twin-engine Canadair Challenger 600, "a type of small regional business/charter jet" that can carry 12 to 15 passengers.

The building that was struck was described as a clothing warehouse, and there were no injuries there, Martin said.

State Police Trooper Stephen Jones said emergency management crews at the warehouse were conducting "a rescue operation."

"You act on that assumption until you know otherwise," he said.

Brenda Leahy, a spokeswoman at Hackensack University Medical Center, said five people, including the plane's co-pilot, were taken there. She did not know their conditions.

Two people, a flight attendant and a man who had been in a car, were taken to Holy Name Hospital in Teaneck, said hospital spokeswoman Katherine Kakogiannis. The flight attendant had minor injuries and she didn't know the condition of the other person.



The manager of the warehouse, owned by clothing company Strawberry, said he ran inside after the crash and helped firefighters make their way to the plane.

"You couldn't see anything inside. There was so much smoke it looked like fog," said Tommy Ficarra.

The FAA Web site says plane was registered to a company called 448 Alliance LLC, and gave an address in Dallas. Directory assistance has no company with that name, but does show a DDH Aviation at the same address. No one answered the phone there.

Nearly a year ago, on Feb. 26, a Gulfstream 3 registered to 448 Alliance rolled off a runway into the mud at Atlanta's Peachtree-DeKalb Airport after a snowstorm. No one was injured.

The airport, in the northern New Jersey suburbs 12 miles from midtown Manhattan, was closed after the crash.

Once used by weekend recreational fliers, Teterboro has grown into one of the nation's busiest small airports, catering to corporate jets looking to avoid the hassles of larger airports.


204 posted on 02/02/2005 6:45:26 AM PST by maggief
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To: Netizen
"I think its worse that when something happens people immediately say terrorism is nit suspected when an investigation hasn't even been done. "

Yeah, there's no such thing as accidents. The terrorists are everywhere, they are coming for our children, what are we to do? BWAAAHAHAHAHA
205 posted on 02/02/2005 6:51:09 AM PST by monday
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To: Clemenza

"2. Was it flown by an illegal alien?"

No, this one was flown be a space alien, but good guess!!


206 posted on 02/02/2005 6:53:04 AM PST by monday
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To: Trust but Verify

I realize skidding off a runway isn't an unusual event. What I found to be unusual was a plane skidding off a runway onto a highway. I agree that someone suggesting that it was a laser within the first 5 minutes doesn't constitute their knowledge of plane function; however, I interpreted your post as a dismissal of any speculation, laser or not.


207 posted on 02/02/2005 6:53:36 AM PST by pelikan
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To: monday

Sure for those of you in Arizona....terrorism is something of an abstract concept. Try telling that to those of us here on the East Coast, that it is just a figment of our imaginations.


208 posted on 02/02/2005 6:54:47 AM PST by all4one (My thoughts and prayers are with our soldiers.....and their families)
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
"Thing is, alot of deicing is done by untrained people."

Deicing consists of spraying anti freeze on an airplanes wings until the ice melts and slides off. It isn't rocket science.
209 posted on 02/02/2005 6:57:12 AM PST by monday
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To: monday

...and deicers with that attitude are the ones who cause accidents.


210 posted on 02/02/2005 6:58:58 AM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: monday
Deicing consists of spraying anti freeze on an airplanes wings until the ice melts and slides off. It isn't rocket science.

Tell that to the Challenger crew.

211 posted on 02/02/2005 6:59:22 AM PST by SlowBoat407 (Speculating idiot)
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To: pelikan
I realize skidding off a runway isn't an unusual even

It's certainly not usual for 448 Alliance LLC. This is at least the third time one of their aircraft has overshot the runway..

It was incorporated in DE on 12/29/1998.

212 posted on 02/02/2005 6:59:53 AM PST by HAL9000 ("You still have the mind of a retarded 5 year old." - KwasiOwusu)
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To: HAL9000; All

per Fox everybody on board has been accounted for.


213 posted on 02/02/2005 7:01:51 AM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
Cert: Comm/CFI

Even FROST on the wing [NOT visible from inside especially on a white painted aircraft] can destroy lift. NN more facts to determine if he attempted to rotate first. If so I'd say icing/frost on wing. If he did not rotate I'd guess alarm in cockpit, or power failure...or Weight/Balance problem with a full load. It doesn't sound like he made it to Vr [rotation speed] or I doubt he would have had enough room to get the nose gear down again and slow up enough for such a well-controlled ground roll. Either way, sounds like the pilot did the best under the circumstances. An aborted takeoff into structures is always a better bet than a crash after departure, if indeed the pilot thinks that to be an imminent possibility. TEB Airport Diagram [PDF file]

RWY 6, length 6000' which is relatively short; i.e. no way to abort close to Vr and stop before the end. Notice bldg off departure end to NE.

Fuel tank locations:

Aircraft diagram

214 posted on 02/02/2005 7:03:29 AM PST by Indie (Ignorance of the truth is no excuse for stupidity.)
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To: Jet Jaguar
everybody on board has been accounted for

They're saying apparently no deaths. If that's the case, it's a miracle.

215 posted on 02/02/2005 7:04:38 AM PST by Timeout (Dems have been saying no for 10 years. Now they can SCREAM it.)
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To: Miss Marple

Freepmail, Miss Marple.


216 posted on 02/02/2005 7:05:39 AM PST by Velveeta
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To: Indie

Good info, indie. I only saw two tire tracks, nothing to indicate that the nosewheel was on the ground. I'm still trying to figure that one out.

*The views expressed by SlowBoat407 are wild speculation and do not reflect the facts or actual events.


217 posted on 02/02/2005 7:07:54 AM PST by SlowBoat407 (Speculating idiot)
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To: Velveeta

One critical, 3 admitted others treated and released.

The car on the road looked like it had the top sheared off.

They were lucky the fuel tanks didn't rupture.


218 posted on 02/02/2005 7:08:51 AM PST by WestCoastGal (Daytona 500 ~ 18 days! 11 days to the Shootout ~~Sr "If you can't take the speed get off the track")
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To: RushCrush

My husband teaches and is a republican.


219 posted on 02/02/2005 7:09:50 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: SlowBoat407
"*The views expressed by SlowBoat407 are wild speculation and do not reflect the facts or actual events."

LOL....those of us who know your posts, are aware that this is untrue...but this sentence is very funny!

220 posted on 02/02/2005 7:10:30 AM PST by all4one (My thoughts and prayers are with our soldiers.....and their families)
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