Posted on 01/24/2005 9:07:31 PM PST by indcons
A note on the Armanious case
At Jihad Watch we have received a large number of inquiries, both sober and frenzied, about the Coptic family found murdered in Jersey City last week.
As is well known, the Copts in Jersey City and elsewhere have many suspicions about this crime. But when they have voiced these suspicions, they have been frequently denounced as Islamophobes; an all-purpose term of abuse used to silence criticism of Islam and of Muslims. And Hudson County Prosecutor Edward DeFazio is dismissive of the idea that the killings were religiously motivated: “Is it possible? Yes. Do we have anything that gives us reason to believe this is what it was, factually? No. Nothing indicates that was the prime motivation for this. That we can clearly say.”
Nothing? Law enforcement officials have received information from at least one Copt; a close friend of the Armanious family — indicating that the crime was indeed religiously motivated. This family friend has said that an imam in Jersey City declared this Christian family’s blood “halal,” (i.e., licit to shed), because of their proselytizing activities among Muslims. He has named — by name — a suspect in this crime, whose motive was religious and who has fled the country.
Perhaps there is nothing to this. Perhaps the man who has fled is innocent. But even if he is, the Copts have had perfectly cogent reasons for their suspicions. The Armanious family was outspoken in trying to convert Muslims to Christianity. Hossam Armanious vigorously spread his faith at PalTalk, and his 15-year-old daughter Sylvia displayed similar zeal at Dickinson High School. There is credible evidence that for this activity the family received a death threat. In light of all that, it may be that what needs to be justified is the idea that their deaths were in fact unrelated to that proselytizing activity. Islamic law, the Sharia, has traditionally made it a capital offense both for a Muslim to leave Islam, and for a non-Muslim to attempt to convert a Muslim. Many Muslims take such laws very seriously. The Theo van Gogh murder in the Netherlands indicates that at least some will not hesitate to enforce Sharia penalties even in the lands of the infidels.
But if the killer is never caught, which is a distinct possibility since he could be half a world away by now, Muslim spokesmen will attribute the suspicions of the Copts to a “climate of hysteria” against Muslims, and portray themselves — as they do so often — as victims.
Still, a larger question remains. If the Armanious family did in fact receive a death threat related to their proselytizing on Pal Talk, what are the implications for our free society? If the murders were indeed, as many Copts suspect, a warning to them not to proselytize among Muslims, what does that mean for the free exchange of ideas that has always been one of the central values perhaps the central value of the American polity?
The mainstream media has done a poor job of covering this case. It has not bothered to explain that the difficulties Copts experience in Egypt are not old or even centuries-old (as the New York Times put it); they are as old as when the Muslim invaders first conquered Coptic Christian Egypt. They don't come from anything Copts have said or done to Muslims, but from the supremacist nature of Islamic beliefs. But in the media in general there has been no understanding of this and no discussion of the Sharia or of how apostates in Islam are to be treated, or of what punishment is to be meted out to those who dare (as the Armanious family dared) not to act as the despised and cowed minority they were in Egypt, but as free and equal and proud citizens of this country.
No statement has come from the Hudson County Prosecutors Office that shows any sign that that Office has considered these questions, or fully investigated the Copts' suspicions and allegations. This may not have been a Sharia-inspired killing on American soil, but nothing that has yet come from Edward DeFazio or anyone else seems to deal adequately with the indications that it was. White House Wilsonians seem intent on bringing democracy to Iraq, as if that will somehow solve the problem of Islam, and of the jihad that they persist in identifying solely by one of its tools, terrorism. Meanwhile, an unknown number of Muslims in the United States; possibly including the killer of the Armanious family; are working to solve the problems of Islam by laboring, in one way or another, to bring Sharia to this country.
But few are paying attention to that.
It was also reported by Mark Fuhrman that the family members were each put into separate rooms before they were murdered and the throats were slit, with attempted defacement to the sign of the cross on the wrist of the teenage girl..Christians being slaughtered for their beliefs..sound familiar?
To be an arab means to live in fantasy. The koran contains everything they need to know...science, medicine, and how to tell lies. The Story of the 1001 Nights is a piece of literature, the koran is toilet-paper for sh*te on the brain. It's a pity they didn't choose Ali Baba for a 'prophet' IMO.
Move along now. Nothing to see here.
With the writer of Psalm 94 we cry out against those who perpetrated and those who obscure or cover this shedding of innocent blood:
“1: O LORD God, to whom vengeance belongs; O god, to whom vengeance belongs, show thyself.
2: Lift up thyself, thou judge of the earth: render a reward to the proud.
3: LORD, how long shall the wicked, how long shall the wicked triumph?”
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21: “They gather themselves together against the soul of the righteous, and condemn the innocent blood.
22:But the LORD is my defence; and my God [is] the rock of my refuge.
23:And he shall bring upon them their own iniquity and shall cut them off in their own wickedness; the LORD our God shall cut them off.”
2Cr 10:4 "(For the weapons of our warfare [are] not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;)"
I have nowhere seen excerpts from PalTalk forum's threads - has anyone seen the family's discussion with the muzzis?
Bush's ReligionofPeace strikes again.
I am tired of the PC ignorance. The problem is the death CULT of Islam. Period. Now let all of the apologists come out of the woodwork and start flaming me.
Our government has massacred CULTS in the past..such in Waco when the people were women and chidlren and NO threat!!!!!..yet islamonazis get a free ride.
We WILL pay for our leader's ignorance, open border policy and political fear...and indeed already are.
It's not the press motivating this cover-up. LEOs don't change their story to please the NYTs. All the "facts" here did a one-eighty the day after the feds got involved. The killers will never be found.
The FBI was brought in on day three. That's when the story started to change.
This is disturbing and we must keep the focus on this family.
Islam may describe itself as a "religion", but in reality it is little different than "Murder Incorporated"!
Why aren't they being investigated and prosecuted under RICO statutes, like the pro-life demonstrators who picket abortuaries?
ping from Jan
Wow, 34 posts and not one poster screaming "Bigot" at everyone for being aghast...Must be early. :^)
Give it time. The vermin come out a little later!
Connected news ping. Islamic message board discusses family's murders. For related information, pls. go to http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1327136/posts
Thanks for the link. I don't know how I missed that thread yesterday!
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