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Shroud Of Turin - New Date?
Yahoo ^ | 1-19-2005 | Michael Minor

Posted on 01/19/2005 11:46:04 AM PST by blam

New Chemical Testing Points to Ancient Origin for Burial Shroud of Jesus; Los Alamos Scientist Proves 1988 Carbon-14 Dating of the Shroud of Turin Used Invalid Rewoven Sample

Wednesday January 19, 8:32 am ET

DALLAS, Jan. 19 /PRNewswire/ -- The American Shroud of Turin Association for Research (AMSTAR), a scientific organization dedicated to research on the enigmatic Shroud of Turin, thought by many to be the burial cloth of the crucified Jesus of Nazareth, announced today that the 1988 Carbon-14 test was not done on the original burial cloth, but rather on a rewoven shroud patch creating an erroneous date for the actual age of the Shroud. The Shroud of Turin is a large piece of linen cloth that shows the faint full-body image of a blood-covered man on its surface. Because many believe it to be the burial cloth of Jesus, researchers have tried to determine its origin though numerous modern scientific methods, including Carbon-14 tests done at three radiocarbon labs which set the age of the artifact at between AD 1260 and 1390.

"Now conclusive evidence, gathered over the past two years, proves that the sample used to date the Shroud was actually taken from an expertly-done rewoven patch," says AMSTAR President, Tom D'Muhala. "Chemical testing indicates that the linen Shroud is actually very old -- much older than the published 1988 radiocarbon date."

"As unlikely as it seems, the sample used to test the age of the Shroud of Turin in 1988 was taken from a rewoven area of the Shroud," reports chemist Raymond Rogers, a fellow of the Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico. Rogers' new findings are published in the current issue of Thermochimica Acta, a chemistry peer reviewed scientific journal.

"Pyrolysis-mass-spectrometry results from the sample area coupled with microscopic and microchemical observations prove that the radiocarbon sample was not part of the original cloth of the Shroud of Turin which is currently housed at The Turin Cathedral in Italy," says Rogers.

"The radiocarbon sample has completely different chemical properties than the main part of the shroud relic," explains Rogers. "The sample tested was dyed using technology that began to appear in Italy about the time the Crusaders' last bastion fell to the Mameluke Turks in AD 1291. The radiocarbon sample cannot be older than about AD 1290, agreeing with the age determined in 1988. However, the Shroud itself is actually much older."

Rogers' new research clearly disproves the 1988 findings announced by British Museum spokesperson, Mike Tite, when he declared that the Shroud was of medieval origin and probably "a hoax." The British Museum coordinated the 1988 radiocarbon tests and acted as the official clearing house for all findings.

Almost immediately, Shroud analysts questioned the validity of the sample used for radiocarbon dating. Researchers using high-resolution photographs of the Shroud found indications of an "invisible" reweave in the area used for testing. However, belief tilted strongly toward the more "scientific" method of radiocarbon dating. Rogers' recent analysis of an authentic sample taken from the radiocarbon sample proves that the researchers were right to question the 1988 results.

As a result of his own research and chemical tests, Rogers concluded that the radiocarbon sample was cut from a medieval patch, and is totally different in composition from the main part of the Shroud of Turin.

Contact: Michael Minor (972) 932-5141


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To: frog_jerk_2004

I see what you mean. He must be my son-in-law...


61 posted on 01/19/2005 12:37:02 PM PST by RobRoy (Science is about "how." Christianity is about "why.")
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To: Izzy Dunne
Wonder why they didn't recognize it as a patch in 1988.

Reweaving is a lost art. Nobody has time for that anymore although 200 years ago it was common.

62 posted on 01/19/2005 12:37:10 PM PST by RightWhale (Please correct if cosmic balance requires.)
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To: Cottonbay

I really have never heard any miracles being asociated with the shroud. The Crusaders brought back alot of weird things from the East ie: the foreskin of John the Baptist Breast milk from the Virgin Mary. People were so innocent then that they believed it.


63 posted on 01/19/2005 12:40:27 PM PST by brooklyn dave
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To: brooklyn dave

Unlike today when no one believes in stupid things. Now if you excuse me I have to go watch Crossing Over with John Edwards.


64 posted on 01/19/2005 12:42:14 PM PST by escapefromboston (manny ortez: mvp)
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To: RobRoy
I see what you mean. He must be my son-in-law...

A Philadelphia Laywer perhaps...? ;)

65 posted on 01/19/2005 12:43:09 PM PST by frog_jerk_2004
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To: FreedomCalls

"Gabriel Vial, curator of the Ancient Textile Museum, Lyon, France, approved the location of the radiocarbon sample."

There's the problem, France.


66 posted on 01/19/2005 12:44:08 PM PST by oldcomputerguy
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To: Doctor Stochastic

Maybe they were just in a hurry and erred.


67 posted on 01/19/2005 12:46:46 PM PST by steve8714
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To: Lee Heggy
Da Vinci is still laughing.

At you?

68 posted on 01/19/2005 12:47:09 PM PST by Future Snake Eater ("Stupid grandma leaver-outers!"--Tom Servo)
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To: blam

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

No good religious person needs a releif picture of Christ...Fake or not.

These guys need to give it a rest, they're looking very desparate here.


69 posted on 01/19/2005 12:47:29 PM PST by I Gig Gar (Is civil conversation too much to ask?)
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To: blam

I actually fail to comprehend the relevancy of the shroud. Whether it is a fake, or not, will have no bearing on my faith.


70 posted on 01/19/2005 12:47:58 PM PST by chesley
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To: blam

As a Christian, I could give a hoot about the shroud - Christ rose from the dead regardless if someone has the burial cloth and it's not good to place too much importance in things; they tend to become false idols...


71 posted on 01/19/2005 12:50:24 PM PST by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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To: frog_jerk_2004

Way to COMPLETELY miss the point of that post! Congratulations.


72 posted on 01/19/2005 12:51:43 PM PST by orionblamblam
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To: chesley
The relevancy would be as a historical artifact. I guess it is probably a medieval "photograph". Though I don't know if they have found any more of those medieval photographs.
73 posted on 01/19/2005 12:51:52 PM PST by escapefromboston (manny ortez: mvp)
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To: plain talk

I keep hearing that carbon dating is not an accurate science. I don't trust its findings.


74 posted on 01/19/2005 12:51:59 PM PST by Marysecretary (Thank you, Lord, for FOUR MORE YEARS!!!)
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To: Antoninus
Did you ever, even for a split second, consider what it would mean if even one of these apparitions were true?

That Mary digs grilled cheese sandwiches and chips?

75 posted on 01/19/2005 12:52:00 PM PST by I Gig Gar (Is civil conversation too much to ask?)
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To: I Gig Gar
This was all I needed to read from the article to determine the credibility of the new "findings.:"

"The American Shroud of Turin Association for Research (AMSTAR), a scientific organization dedicated to research on the enigmatic Shroud of Turin,"

Let's be frank here, without this story, this group is dead.

76 posted on 01/19/2005 12:52:30 PM PST by RobRoy (Science is about "how." Christianity is about "why.")
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To: frog_jerk_2004

WTF are you yapping about *now*?


77 posted on 01/19/2005 12:52:50 PM PST by orionblamblam
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To: EggsAckley
So how old is it?

It's around 2005 years old

78 posted on 01/19/2005 12:54:48 PM PST by BlueMondaySkipper (The quickest way of ending a war is to lose it. - George Orwell)
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To: RobRoy

It wouldn't bother me one way or the other. I'm still looking for Noah's Ark (smile)!


79 posted on 01/19/2005 12:55:14 PM PST by Marysecretary (Thank you, Lord, for FOUR MORE YEARS!!!)
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To: blam
I am always fascinated by stories about The Shroud of Turin. It will be interesting to see what they find out from more testing. It won't changed my faith in Jesus Christ if it not true, but it will please me if it turns out to be true. Being a pack rat myself, I can see how someone stowed it away and then passed it down for 2000 years. Not being a dishonest person I can't see how someone could decide to create a shroud and pass it off as authentic.

Has anyone seen the dried up little relic in the church in France that is supposed to be Mary Magdalene's toe? It was difficult to tell if it was a toe, it could have been anything. Was Mary Magdalene ever in France or was her toe sent there as a relic? Inquiring minds want to know!
80 posted on 01/19/2005 12:55:48 PM PST by Ditter
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