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Constitutional Means to Fight Smoking Bans
Smokers United ^ | January 11,2005 | Robert Hayes Halfpenny

Posted on 01/13/2005 11:53:07 AM PST by bob3443

Constitutional Arguments Against Smoking Bans

Amendment I Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. Smoking is a freedom of speech i.e. personal liberty. Such bans are tantamount to precluding peaceable assemblage in that those who may choose to smoke would have to separate themselves from the assembly.

Amendment V No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Converting private property for public use refers to using property for the benefit of the population at large. To wit: condemning land for the use of building a municipal government center. The property owner will receive fair compensation.

If Government regulates the use of private property in such a way as will harm the profitability of a business located on said private property, or the fair market value of the property itself, and by such regulation declare or imply that said property is in fact public, it stands to reason that the government in the position of owing just compensation to the owner of said property.

Amendment VII In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

In order to be compensated for business losses directly attributed to a smoking ban, business owners will have the right to demand a jury trial if such losses are in excess of $20.00

Amendment VIII Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted

Were a smoking ban to be enacted and said ban was violated by either the owner of a business or a customer of the business, such fines could be no more than a minimum fine imposed on any other minor infraction of the law. Further, any action taken by the enforcing body of the government can not be so excessive as to destroy the business itself. Such action might be, but not limited to. Criminal prosecution, excessive fines, graduated fines, cancellation of food, liquor or other types of licenses or any other action that could be construed to be use of power to intimidate the private property owner or client or guest of said owner.

Amendment IX The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. The Constitution is indeed of the people, by the people and for the people. The passage of any type of ban is a “bad faith”: activity local and state government that violates the spirit and the intent of the Constitution. Such bans further pits the general desires of a specific group of people against the rights of the private property owner and the clients of said property owner.

Amendment X The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people. The rights’ of the people are always preeminent to the rights of the government.

Amendment XIV Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. A ban of any kind by its very definition is an abridgement of the privileges of the citizens. Bans create an inequality as they would relate to the protection of the laws.

Amendment XVIII Section 1. After one year from the ratification of this article the manufacture, sale, or transportation of intoxicating liquors within, the importation thereof into, or the exportation thereof from the United States and all territory subject to the jurisdiction thereof for beverage purposes is hereby prohibited. Section 2. The Congress and the several states shall have concurrent power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation. Section 3. This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of the several states, as provided in the Constitution, within seven years from the date of the submission hereof to the states by the Congress. (The fact that this amendment was repealed I feel speaks to the fact that the government overstepped its bounds by ratifying an amendment that was unto itself patently unconstitutional. It further demonstrates how even as great as our Constitution is, it can still be held hostage when those who govern us lose sight of the true purpose of this document.)

Amendment XXI Section 1. The eighteenth article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States is hereby repealed. Section 2. The transportation or importation into any state, territory, or possession of the United States for delivery or use therein of intoxicating liquors, in violation of the laws thereof, is hereby prohibited. Section 3. This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by conventions in the several states, as provided in the Constitution, within seven years from the date of the submission hereof to the states by the Congress.


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: bans; billofrights; constitution; personalfreedoms; privateproperty; pufflist; smoking
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To: gidget7

hmmmmmm comment didn't post on that one, socialism at it's best?


61 posted on 01/13/2005 1:17:04 PM PST by gidget7 (God Bless America, and our President George W. Bush)
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To: Gabz

LOL...but at least we get a break from being pounded over the head with the Good Book! :)


62 posted on 01/13/2005 1:17:58 PM PST by exnavychick (There's too much youth; how about a fountain of smart?)
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To: exnavychick

63 posted on 01/13/2005 1:21:09 PM PST by SheLion (God bless our military members and keep them safe.)
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To: exnavychick
I was being a smart aleck...I didn't know you actually HAD one! How cool is that?

hehe! There you go! :)

64 posted on 01/13/2005 1:22:01 PM PST by SheLion (God bless our military members and keep them safe.)
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To: exnavychick
Anti-smoking zealots don't care if it's ridiculous to us, though, and that's scary.


Their health benefits propaganda, has no truth in it. When the government stops allowing the gay agenda to be thrust into society, with all it's dangerous and even deadly effects, then they can claim to be health conscious, until then, I don't want to hear it.
65 posted on 01/13/2005 1:22:08 PM PST by gidget7 (God Bless America, and our President George W. Bush)
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To: SheLion

LOL! Thanks. I've got it on my drive, now. :)


66 posted on 01/13/2005 1:23:09 PM PST by exnavychick (There's too much youth; how about a fountain of smart?)
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To: SheLion

Hey thanks SheLion!! :)


67 posted on 01/13/2005 1:23:11 PM PST by gidget7 (God Bless America, and our President George W. Bush)
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To: Gabz
the convenient conservatives (gee where else have we seen them) get just as nasty as the HTTer's.

I call them "pick and choose Conservatives." Not very stable, but we run into them every day. Don't we?

68 posted on 01/13/2005 1:24:19 PM PST by SheLion (God bless our military members and keep them safe.)
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To: bob3443

Ping to myself


69 posted on 01/13/2005 1:24:41 PM PST by Ignatz (Strategic Air Command: Peace is our profession...........bombing's just a hobby!)
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To: gidget7

Funny isn't it...this weird logic disconnect for a lot of liberals on that. It's okay to be homosexual (it's normal) but yet if you smoke you're a selfish, immoral pig.

It's surreal!


70 posted on 01/13/2005 1:24:56 PM PST by exnavychick (There's too much youth; how about a fountain of smart?)
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To: exnavychick
LOL! Thanks. I've got it on my drive, now. :)

Great! It's an eye catcher! :)

71 posted on 01/13/2005 1:25:56 PM PST by SheLion (God bless our military members and keep them safe.)
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To: Gabz
Take a look at my post #5 in this thread. Maybe we're in agreement.
72 posted on 01/13/2005 1:26:48 PM PST by newgeezer (We learn by trail and errror. ;-)
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To: exnavychick

Funny isn't it...this weird logic disconnect for a lot of liberals on that. It's okay to be homosexual (it's normal) but yet if you smoke you're a selfish, immoral pig.

Ah yes! I see a bumper sticker in the making!!! LOL that is a statement I have often felt like screaming from the rooftops!


73 posted on 01/13/2005 1:27:27 PM PST by gidget7 (God Bless America, and our President George W. Bush)
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To: gidget7
Hey thanks SheLion!! :)

You're welcome! :)

74 posted on 01/13/2005 1:27:39 PM PST by SheLion (God bless our military members and keep them safe.)
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To: Gabz; SheLion; exnavychick
Get a load of this. Those smarmy, terminally PC Ad Council geeks are only too happy to throw more gasoline on the fire.

This is the most disgusting one yet.

More Than 13 Million American Children Regularly Breathing Secondhand Smoke in Their Homes, Cars

75 posted on 01/13/2005 1:27:47 PM PST by Madame Dufarge
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To: Gabz

Please read 57 as I am curious what you would do about such a thing. Wonder if these folks are allowed to FART? Wonder if someone interviews for a job if they are excluded because of their smell? We all have a smell of some type.


76 posted on 01/13/2005 1:29:48 PM PST by Snoopers-868th
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To: Madame Dufarge
More Than 13 Million American Children Regularly Breathing Secondhand Smoke in Their Homes, Cars

Oh! But didn't we just read from the anti's that smoking is down because of the higher taxes and smoking bans?

The anti's ride a see-saw. Up one minute down the next.

77 posted on 01/13/2005 1:29:49 PM PST by SheLion (God bless our military members and keep them safe.)
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To: Madame Dufarge
Yadda Yadda Yadda..........that's my take on that, without even reading it. All that typing research etc devoted to that, all the while placing children in harms way by allowing gays to adopt, and forcing them to "study" homosexual lifestyles" and encouraging the practice thereof, at schools.

Mind boggling!
78 posted on 01/13/2005 1:31:05 PM PST by gidget7 (God Bless America, and our President George W. Bush)
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To: newgeezer
I won't bother reading any further.

Good idea. I am out of this thread.

79 posted on 01/13/2005 1:31:59 PM PST by Michael.SF. ("I came here as a slave, and I deserve to vote." - Rep. Jackson Lee - Jan. 7, 2004)
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To: zoosha
If a smoker wants to smoke, my answer to him is, "Certainly,BUT SMOKE THE DAMN WEED OUTSIDE. I DON'T NEED CANCER FROM YOUR BUTT."

What a clever riposte.

May I use it?

80 posted on 01/13/2005 1:32:37 PM PST by HIDEK6
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