Posted on 01/11/2005 11:30:36 AM PST by missyme
Actor Mel Gibson held a secret meeting with one of the famous visionaries of Fatima, Sister Lucia of Portugal. Sister Lucia, now 98 years of age, is a cloistered nun who as a child saw and spoke with the Virgin Mary in Fatima, Portugal in 1917.
Her visions and those of her two childhood friends, both since passed away, were both prophetic and apocalyptic. The Catholic Church accepted the visions as authentic.
Thanks AC.
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That's actually the Nicene Creed, which is a bit longer than the Apostles' Creed but affirms the same basic tenets of the faith.
I absolutely agree. But He never mentioned the need for a single sin free human to bring Him into the world. And He did a pretty complete job of explaining the rest of the process. I can find no Biblical support for the existance of any human after Adam and Eve that existed without sin. In fact, time and again the Bible explains that we ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
The only way I can understand how Catholics understand Mary is to study Catholic doctrine and the teachings of Catholic Church fathers. With that in mind, maybe you can understand why non-Catholics find Catholic Marian devotion so confusing.
With ALL due respect MY friend, that IS a HUGE deal. It's blasphemy, pure and simple. And obvious lie. This so-called "Mary" didn't say "My son, Jesus promises salvation," she said "I PROMISE SALVATION."
"When you have properly prepared your soul to face eternity and have committed your life to a devotion (Such as a Devotion to the Immaculate Heart of Mary) which leads to Christ..."
Please read you own words.
You have just suggested that I "commit" my "life" to ...a "Devotion to the Immaculate Heart of Mary" which leads to Christ..."
This contradicts Christ's own words! ("I am the Truth and the Way.")
Thanks for your suggestion, but NO thanks.
I'll follow Jesus Christ Himself.
No such "devotion" to Mary, Paul, Peter, Luke, John, or the rest of the "saints" needed, OR is commanded through the Scripture.
She wasn't necessarily "more than human" by her motherhood of God, but it would be perfectly rational to believe that she had to be a perfect human being in order to serve as that vessel.
That's the basis for the Catholic doctrine of the Immaculate Conception -- that Mary was conceived without the stain of original sin.
The doctrine of the Assumption is really a logical extension of that -- for if Mary was conceived without original sin, she would not have had to suffer the "normal" death and bodily decay that comes with the state in which humans exist since the fall of Adam and Eve.
That's a good point. It is generally believed that the holy men and women of the Old Testament existed is some kind of temporary state similar to "Limbo" while they awaited the Redemption. Heaven as it is understood would not have been open to them, but because of their role in the Covenant they would probably have had a good sense of what they were awaiting.
No doubt it is confusing. I am confused by some of the things I think Protestants are taught as well. With study, prayer, patience, and kindness, perhaps we will all learn from each other.
Wow! I loved "The Miracle of Our Lady of Fatima" when I was a kid. Ditto for "The Song of Bernadette".
"Mary is not a deity nor a part of the Trinity"
No Catholic believes that and I don't know of any Christians who do and surely you know that too...you can't be that ignorant can you?
She's a mother and has a heart full of a mother's love. It's only natural that those who love her Son would be loved by her as well.
You know guys. If we don't answer the Catholic bashers, they might go away.
The salvation Christ provided would not have been possible if He hadn't been sacrificed. If He had been born of Mary, but died of old age, He would not have fulfilled the law. It was not His birth that saved us, but His sacrifice and resurrection. Therefore, Mary was not THE requirement for the fulfillment of His law. She was one part of it. In addition to Mary, Christ "needed" somebody to sentence him to death. Pilate was just as much a part of that plan as Mary. Both were human, borne of human, sinful parents. Neither were God. I believe only God can be free of sin. I can't find anything in God's inspired Word that says otherwise.
**I think there is more to the 3rd secret than has been revealed as of yet..**
I agree.
And there have been other visionaries with additional information also. Specifically the one in South America.
NOT!
Have you read any of it?
Our Lady of the Roses message at Bayside, New York has been condemed by the Catholic Church.
I agree completely. And through study I have learned that we share more similarities than differences. At our core remains the Nicine Creed. That is a very firm foundation to share.
>>You know guys. If we don't answer the Catholic bashers, they might go away.<<
The only answer that I will give to the Catholic bashers is the simple question of why I never see them bashing Jews on any of SJackson, Yonif or Alouette's threads? I am on ping lists for all of them and never see them bash the Jews.
Hmmmmmm.
Yep.
It seems anytime there is something they can't explain or don't understand about the Catholic Church, they bash.
Oh well. Keep on praying for them.
Your quote from Medujgoje makes perfect sense to me.
Some kids were out to have a smoke and conjured up "Mary".
It is not approved by the Holy See.
Please see this site...
http://www.unitypublishing.com/Apparitions/MedjugorjeIndex.html
There's something going on there. I'm just not sure it is good.
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