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Mel Gibson's Secret Meetings with Fatima Visionary
Newsmax ^ | Jan 11th, 2005

Posted on 01/11/2005 11:30:36 AM PST by missyme

Actor Mel Gibson held a secret meeting with one of the famous visionaries of Fatima, Sister Lucia of Portugal. Sister Lucia, now 98 years of age, is a cloistered nun who as a child saw and spoke with the Virgin Mary in Fatima, Portugal in 1917.

Her visions and those of her two childhood friends, both since passed away, were both prophetic and apocalyptic. The Catholic Church accepted the visions as authentic.


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To: Bluegrass Conservative

I think "transfiguration" means to change appearance.


161 posted on 01/11/2005 2:15:40 PM PST by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: k2blader

No, see post 149


162 posted on 01/11/2005 2:15:53 PM PST by mother
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To: Bluegrass Conservative

"Seriously, I mean no disrespect. I had never heard anything regarding Mary ascending to Heaven, however I'm not disputing it. After all, we know it can happen because it happened with Elijah. Interesting. I'm going to have to learn more about this. Thanks!"

That is the most honorable and respectful response by a Protestant to the Assumption of Mary that I have ever read - you should really be commended. I'm really serious. It's great to read.


163 posted on 01/11/2005 2:15:56 PM PST by lnbchip
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To: Bluegrass Conservative
Can you name another mere human that has ever been sent back to earth?

Didn't Paul Hogan do that? There was a movie about it, I forget the name.

164 posted on 01/11/2005 2:16:18 PM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: lnbchip

Well said ... :-)


165 posted on 01/11/2005 2:16:54 PM PST by mother
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To: mother
The gates of Heaven are open. What Eve did closed them until the coming of Christ.

I don't believe what Eve did closed them until the coming of Christ. That would mean that none of the people that lived in the time between Eve and Christ are in Heaven today.

They may have had to go about it in a different way, but many of those people are in Heaven today, as is obvious with Elijah.

166 posted on 01/11/2005 2:18:01 PM PST by Bluegrass Conservative
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To: Bluegrass Conservative

I understand, but before there was the Bible as we know it, most of the history (of the Church) at the time of the apostles was carried on by word of mouth (tradition). Even the Gospels were proclaimed orally for a number of years before being written down. The apostles all thought that Jesus would come back to earth before they died, and so they didn't write down what Jesus taught them right away.


167 posted on 01/11/2005 2:18:23 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: Bluegrass Conservative

Thank you for that considerate reply!


168 posted on 01/11/2005 2:18:30 PM PST by mother
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To: evets
OK. I give.

What is that in post 106?
169 posted on 01/11/2005 2:19:31 PM PST by dixiechick2
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To: lnbchip

I agree... I think Catholics and Protestants can learn from each other. As a Catholic, I attend protestant bible studies every week and although I do not always agree, I do learn and grow from them.


170 posted on 01/11/2005 2:19:32 PM PST by todd1
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To: lnbchip; Bluegrass Conservative

I'll ditto that!


171 posted on 01/11/2005 2:20:06 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: dixiechick2
'Jesus' M&M on Ebay.
172 posted on 01/11/2005 2:21:28 PM PST by evets (God bless president George W. Bush)
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To: Bluegrass Conservative
They resided in the abode of the dead. The just were freed from there by Christ between his Crucifixion & resurrection. So, you are correct. Those who died before Christ & were just ARE in heaven :-)
173 posted on 01/11/2005 2:21:29 PM PST by mother
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To: lnbchip
That is the most honorable and respectful response by a Protestant to the Assumption of Mary that I have ever read - you should really be commended. I'm really serious. It's great to read.

Well, thank you. I'm not egotistical enough to think that just because I've never heard of something that it isn't true. Mind you, I'm not saying it is true either. I'm just not discounting it until I learn more.

174 posted on 01/11/2005 2:23:33 PM PST by Bluegrass Conservative
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To: Scythian

You make Protestants look really bad with your rude comments. My best friend is an evangelical and she NEVER said anything duragatory about my catholic faith. But then.... she had class.


175 posted on 01/11/2005 2:23:45 PM PST by diamond6 (Everyone who is for abortion has already been born. Ronald Reagan)
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To: Ohioan from Florida
Very correct. It was the Catholic Church that assembled the Bible. The Church had to decide what writings were divinely inspired and which were not. But for the first 350-400 years there was no Bible.
176 posted on 01/11/2005 2:24:26 PM PST by mother
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To: mother
They resided in the abode of the dead.

Is that the same as purgatory?

And, I don't have my Bible in front of me right now, but doesn't it say that Elijah was carried off in a chariot to heaven?

177 posted on 01/11/2005 2:25:43 PM PST by Bluegrass Conservative
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To: Bluegrass Conservative
You are indeed an intelligent individual. I am not saying that you must believe what I believe but, do some investigating. You might just be surprised.
178 posted on 01/11/2005 2:26:03 PM PST by mother
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To: mother

Ah, thanks. Once I saw someone, presumably a Catholic, post something like "We don't pray to Mary. We pray *through* her." So that got me wondering.


179 posted on 01/11/2005 2:26:45 PM PST by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: mother

Exactly - the Church teaches that man was separated from God due to the sin of Adam and Eve. There was no unity between God and man. When the Holy and Just people died. They were not in Heaven - they were in some kind of middle ground. But, when Christ died on the Cross. The Father's love of his Sacrifice was so great that he obtained for us Forgiveness of both the Original Sin of Adam and Eve and any sins that we confess. The Gates of Heaven were opened and all the people that were in that middle area (whatever it was) went to Heaven at that time.

If I've got something wrong please jump in and comment to correct me. I'm a convert to Catholicism and I love discussing the Church. I have a great enthusiasm for conversations such as this. But, I am always willing to learn!


180 posted on 01/11/2005 2:27:42 PM PST by lnbchip
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