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Sale of spanking tool points up larger issue [BARF ALERT]
The Boston Globe ^ | Monday, January 10, 2005 | Patricia Wen, Globe Staff

Posted on 01/10/2005 11:15:03 AM PST by Momaw Nadon

ARLINGTON -- On a spring day, Susan Lawrence was flipping through a magazine, Home School Digest, when she came across an advertisement that took her breath away. In it, ''The Rod," a $5 flexible whipping stick, was described as the ''ideal tool for child training."

''Spoons are for cooking, belts are for holding up pants, hands are for loving, and rods are for chastening," read the advertisement she saw nearly two years ago for the 22-inch nylon rod. It also cited a biblical passage, which instructs parents not to spare the ''rod of correction."

The ad shocked Lawrence, a Lutheran who home-schools her children and opposes corporal punishment. She began a national campaign to stop what she sees as the misuse of the Bible as a justification for striking children. She also asked the federal government to deem The Rod hazardous to children, and ban the sale of all products designed for spanking. Lawrence says striking children violates the Golden Rule from the Gospel of Matthew in the New Testament: ''In everything do to others as you would have them do to you."

(Excerpt) Read more at boston.com ...


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To: MineralMan
Darn-it, I meant to type do NOT like the looks. My fingers slip to easy.

Also in case you care my job is enforcing the law not deciding what is a problem or not. If it is illegal it is illegal and I do not have a say in it.
101 posted on 01/10/2005 1:34:43 PM PST by FreedomHasACost
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To: Momaw Nadon
Lawrence says striking children violates the Golden Rule from the Gospel of Matthew in the New Testament: ''In everything do to others as you would have them do to you."

Speak for yourself, lady. My folks whipped my ass with a yardstick when I did wrong, and I'm glad they did, as I was a willful and wicked little brat. I turned out pretty good thanks to their loving correction.

-ccm

102 posted on 01/10/2005 1:40:18 PM PST by ccmay (Question Diversity)
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To: Trinity_Tx

You're failing to differentiate between beating and spanking. A beating is when the adult is out of control with anger and takes it out on the child, often physicall injuring the child. I agree that there is absolutely no excuse for that.

A spanking is reserved for punishment for a specified infraction. In our case, we give the child the option to change their behaviour forst with words and other types of reinforcement. If the child continues to rebel, it escalates to a spanking. Usually one whack, and most often not with much momentum. (per #30, I tried it out on myself first to note the amount of pain produced. It took a lot to make it hurt. It would take absolute abuse to bruise or draw blood)

The other reason for a spank is to reinforce safety. If a child continually runs into the street and telling him to spop doesn't work, a loving parent will reinforce those words with a small amount of pain.

Using a specific, purpose built object, instead of a hand allows the child to fear the object rather than the parent.

Still care to turn me in to the socialist workers?


103 posted on 01/10/2005 1:41:32 PM PST by cyclotic (Cub Scouts-Teach 'em young to be men, and politically incorrect in the process)
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To: MineralMan

I agree ... I find something vaguely unsettling about the whole business. To have a special purpose tool designed explicitly for punishment strikes me as indicative of an attitude more appropriate to a prison guard than a father or mother.


104 posted on 01/10/2005 1:42:46 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Owl_Eagle

Masochist: "Hit me! Hit me"
sadist: "he he -- No"


105 posted on 01/10/2005 1:44:09 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Lefty Suicide Hotline: 1-800-BUSH-WON (thanks PJ-Comix!))
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To: Labyrinthos

>>Who said that I do not or have not diciplined my kids? I only said that I never spanked them.<<

At certain ages, which depends on the child, discipline REQUIRES some physical punishment. You can't reason with a child, and they must learn that certain behavior results in physical pain. (When I was a kid, I had a friend who likely was never spanked, but I swear to you, he never misbehaved. EVER.)

It is incredibly difficult to physically punish kids, but in my view, it is 100% necessary. A parent must guard against anger, obviously, but shouldn't let that fear dictate that kids aren't punished for misbehavior. I speak as a very disciplined person! My dad went overboard a few times in anger, but it was probably better than the opposite result.

There were likely other causes of your misbehavior as a child. I suspect you haven't told the entire story, but even if you have, nothing is absolute. I have 2 (older) sisters who were raised similarly to me but with less physical punishment, and both had a more difficult time between the ages of 18-30 than I did, in terms of immaturity. No lawlessness, but painful actions, nonetheless. I can also give you numerous examples to suggest that your experience is likely very different than the norm.

It is still my opinion that you will likely regret your actions, even in a small way, but I'm also going to conceed that different people have different experiences and your's indeed may be different. And I certainly wouldn't dare try and tell you how to raise your children, but I will offer my opinion based on a statement you made.


106 posted on 01/10/2005 1:51:42 PM PST by 1L
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To: ArrogantBustard

"To have a special purpose tool designed explicitly for punishment strikes me as indicative of an attitude more appropriate to a prison guard than a father or mother.
"

That's my sense of it, too. Looking at the device, it's clearly a small whip. I know that people have used switches and the like to discipline children, although I disagree with that as well. I can see no need for anything other than the palm of the hand applied smartly to the buttocks.

To actually purchase such a device, to me, appears to indicate that the parent is planning to need it. Altogether too convenient, in my opinion.

I know this. A kid coming to the attention of a cop or emergency room personnel with welts from this device on their buttocks and legs is going to get some serious attention, and the parents will be answering some questions.

Parents tempted to use such devices should think very carefully before doing so. Nobody ever got in trouble for simply spanking their child, but the legal line is very unclear when it comes to using objects to strike a child.

Disciplining a child should leave no marks.


107 posted on 01/10/2005 1:53:10 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Centurion2000
Lawrence says striking children violates the Golden Rule from the Gospel of Matthew in the New Testament: ''In everything do to others as you would have them do to you."

Uh, I'm happy that my father spanked me. Plenty of other people I know were happy they were spanked, too. Spanking children when they are bad is doing to others as I would have others do to me. In fact, the Golden Rule only really works if "what you would have them to do you" isn't indulging your bad behavior.

108 posted on 01/10/2005 1:54:06 PM PST by Question_Assumptions
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To: Question_Assumptions

"Uh, I'm happy that my father spanked me."

My father spanked me, too, and I was in no way harmed by that. He did not, however, use a whip on me. This is about "The Rod," not spanking.


109 posted on 01/10/2005 1:59:39 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: cyclotic

Well, I think you're getting posters confused...

I haven't confused spanking with beating at all - in fact I pointed out the difference in another post. Nor have I said anything about turning anyone in. For me to do that would depend on a lot of other factors.

I did question the claim that it was a gentler implement. The simple physical characteristics of this makes it harder on tissue with all other things being equal.

I don't think it is disputable that a thin nylon rod like this - or a cane or crop - is more likely to break skin and bruise when applied with the same amount of speed and pressure as a paddle or hand.


110 posted on 01/10/2005 2:02:11 PM PST by Trinity_Tx (Most of our so-called reasoning consists in finding arguments for going on believin as we already do)
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To: MineralMan

No, this is about spanking, too. The author of this article is talking about "the Rod" but also about spanking.


111 posted on 01/10/2005 2:04:50 PM PST by FreedomHasACost
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To: Trinity_Tx

Yea, I was kind of more responding to the godless athiest (Department of redundancy department)

Actually, this thing causes a little bit of localized pain but does not break skin or anything else. It's very lightweight. I've had opportunity to meet my shop teacher's paddle and that this, using similar force would lift a kid off the ground just due to mass and velocity. The rod is much more humane and less painful.

It's actually quite flexible, unlike a cane. It sounds and looks far worse than it is. Like I said, I used it on myself. The swat's my kids get are more for effect than pain and it's extremely rare.


112 posted on 01/10/2005 2:10:36 PM PST by cyclotic (Cub Scouts-Teach 'em young to be men, and politically incorrect in the process)
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To: Trinity_Tx

Thanks.

Toughest job in the world: being a good parent.

Most important job in the world: being a good parent.


113 posted on 01/10/2005 2:11:35 PM PST by Bushforlife (I've noticed that everybody that is for abortion has already been born. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: dangus

"I would love to see whether any psychological study has ever been done to confirm that systematic spanking does escalate to beating? "

I worked in domestic violence for several years and perused that literature up till a few years ago. There was never any evidence that spanking of children as a disciplinary tactic was related to child abuse or any other violence.

That doesn't mean that in any given case a spanking parent couldn't become abusive also, but it is not a risk factor.


114 posted on 01/10/2005 2:12:30 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: MineralMan
And there are plenty of other people on this thread talking about being hit by switches that feel pretty much the same way -- they were happy their parents did it. And at least one reply mentioned testing it to see how much it hurt and said that it primarily stings. So my point still remains concerning "do unto others". A lot of people here are doing unto their children as was done to them and they appreciate what was done to them.

Would I use something like this device? Probably not. And it probably does cross my personal line of what's appropriate. But I also think it's incredibly dangerous to mandate what the exact line should be, so long as a parent isn't clearly abusing their child. It foolish to try to set a "one size fits all" policy toward raising children because discipling a child is a lot like the old George Carlin routine about driving (anyone who drives faster than you is a maniac and anyone who drives slower than you is a moron). Anyone who disciplines a child more than you would will seem like the are abusing their child and anyone who disciplines their child less than you would will seem like they are being too soft. That's why I think we need to leave this up to individual parents.

Does this device go further than I would? Yes. Can I see good parents using something like this and raising good kids? Yes. Just because it might be abused it no reason to ban it. Apply your own gun control analogy as necessary.

115 posted on 01/10/2005 2:17:04 PM PST by Question_Assumptions
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To: dangus
They trotted out a lot of research in Canada when they proposed a law banning spanking, which never passed as far as I know. They net conclusion of the research is that you can raise a good kid either through verbal discipline or spanking and that it's pretty much six one way and a half-dozen the other so long as the physical discipline isn't abuse, isn't done to a child younger than two (younger infants don't understand why they are being hit), and isn't done to children past their early teens (when it can trigger control and power issues).

Do some web searches on spaning and Canada (I'd suggest adding a "-sex" qualifier to any Google searches if you wnat useful results) if you want more info.

116 posted on 01/10/2005 2:21:41 PM PST by Question_Assumptions
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To: cyclotic

It sounds like you are very sparing and careful with it - and having tested it, you wouldn't ever hit hard enough to bruise or break the skin. So I guess, under those circumstances, I see no need for me to turn ya in. ; )






117 posted on 01/10/2005 2:28:37 PM PST by Trinity_Tx (Most of our so-called reasoning consists in finding arguments for going on believin as we already do)
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To: Bushforlife

So, so very true.


118 posted on 01/10/2005 2:29:44 PM PST by Trinity_Tx (Most of our so-called reasoning consists in finding arguments for going on believin as we already do)
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To: Question_Assumptions
"They net conclusion of the research is that you can raise a good kid either through verbal discipline or spanking and that it's pretty much six one way and a half-dozen the other

so long as
-the physical discipline isn't abuse,
-isn't done to a child younger than two (younger infants don't understand why they are being hit), and
-isn't done to children past their early teens (when it can trigger control and power issues).


And that makes so much sense.

I think you can cause just as much, if not more, damage by crossing the line verbally as you can crossing it physically.

The main reason I choose non-physical punishment is because I find more room for creativity to devise punishments or rewards that are directly relevant to the specific behavior. And it has worked better for my kids than physical punishment worked on us for my parents.

But if I had a big litter, I'd likely spank more... and if I used it wisely, I could still be less abusive than others who didn't.

Parents tongues can ruin a kid too.
119 posted on 01/10/2005 2:43:10 PM PST by Trinity_Tx (Most of our so-called reasoning consists in finding arguments for going on believin as we already do)
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To: Momaw Nadon
How reassuring that the promoters advise that it not be used on babies.

Spanking involves whacking the child on the rear end with an open hand. The liberal Lutheran opposing "The Rod" is wrong to conflate the two. To even call it "spanking" is ridiculous. However, hitting a child with an object like this is child abuse.

120 posted on 01/10/2005 8:12:16 PM PST by valkyrieanne (card-carrying South Park Republican)
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