Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

ZOT - GA banned from Washington, D.C (but trolls want special privileges)

Posted on 01/08/2005 3:56:03 PM PST by Robinson Winslow

GA banned from Washington, D.C., for inauguration D.C.'s mayor and AOPA's Boyer incensed over closures

For eight hours on Inauguration Day, Washington, D.C., and the skies for miles around it, will be completely off-limits to general aviation. Similarly, the streets of the nation's capital will be closed to vehicular traffic. Security officials have declared that President Bush's inauguration on January 20 is a "national security event," and the FAA, responding to orders from the Defense and Homeland Security departments, has issued a flight advisory prohibiting all general aviation VFR flight within or above the Washington, D.C., Metropolitan Air Defense Identification Zone (ADIZ).

"This is yet another example of GA being made a scapegoat in the name of security," said AOPA President Phil Boyer. "All the evidence shows that GA aircraft do not pose a significant security threat — especially when compared to the devastation an airliner could cause. Yet the airlines are allowed to fly freely while GA pilots are essentially grounded."

The GA ban is in effect from 10 a.m. through 6 p.m. The only exception is for IFR aircraft landing or departing Washington Dulles International and Baltimore-Washington International airports, but the FAA anticipates that the GA ramps at both airports will fill up with VIP aircraft. Once all the parking is taken, even IFR aircraft will be diverted to airports outside the ADIZ.

AOPA is not alone in questioning the over-the-top security measures surrounding the coming inauguration. Washington Mayor Anthony Williams has complained that multiple checkpoints and street closures imposed in advance of the inauguration are excessive, snarling traffic, damaging businesses, impacting tourism, and choking commerce in the capital city.

"The GA community understands the need for reasonable security measures around the inauguration," Boyer added. "What we don't understand is why the measures being taken for this inauguration are so extreme. These measures are unnecessarily displacing thousands of pilots, restricting their freedom, and resulting in loss of income for those who use GA to conduct their business."

AOPA continues to question the need for the ADIZ at all, arguing that it is an inappropriate "solution" to a nonexistent problem. "A small airplane weighing less than a large SUV and traveling at 120 mph just doesn't pose the same kind of threat — or create as narrow a response window — as a fully loaded airliner traveling at 400 mph," Boyer explained. "The ADIZ simply doesn't reflect those differences. All it does is restrict GA without doing anything to protect Washington and its citizens from terrorists."

January 6, 2005


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aopa; cantflywodrugs; coffeeteaorzot; duheadmaster; dutroll; flyingmonkeypost; flymetothemoon; homelandsecurity; inaugural; inmybeautifulballoon; shameisntit; smokeandozone; tryvideogames; w2; whiteknucklezot; youhighalready; zot; zotinspace
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 81-100101-120121-140141-157 next last
To: Rex Anderson

Well, I thought it was FUNNY (hint for the slow - read the article title and immediately read my response.)


101 posted on 01/08/2005 6:51:31 PM PST by Senator Pardek
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: BlessedBeGod

I agree, nice to know so that when I go up for the Inauguration I won't be late. :)


102 posted on 01/08/2005 6:54:59 PM PST by RepublicanReptile ('Open your mind, close the Border")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: Robinson Winslow; MeekOneGOP
Knuckle draggers? How about a knuckle sandwich, TROLL??!!

Or maybe I'll just let kitty bite your knuckles...

103 posted on 01/08/2005 7:00:08 PM PST by mysto ("I am ZOT proof" --- famous last words of a troll.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Robinson Winslow

I am a Conservative Member of the Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association. While I agree that a GA airplane can do VERY little damange, I also think this is a very small sacrifice on the grand scheme of things.

By calling it "Gestapo Tactics" you make yourself a troll. If you have something to say - say it - if you criticize and name call - be gone.

Suicide Hotline 1-800-BUSH-WON

Get over it.


104 posted on 01/08/2005 7:00:12 PM PST by Dashing Dasher (Because I fly, I envy no (wo)man on earth. - Anon)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: sauropod
What about Nextel? Direct connect? You'd have to get everyone's direct-connect code, although selected members may be the way to go.
105 posted on 01/08/2005 7:00:33 PM PST by concretebob (The next time I turn the other cheek, it will be to line up a better shot.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 62 | View Replies]

To: jim_trent
the "upside-down wedding cake" no-fly zones around a large percentage of airports in the US. I had to start going WAY out of my way to avoid flying illegally.

Err, you mean Class B airspace? That's hardly a "no-fly zone," certainly not on the same order as the Presidential TFR.

Let's see how much people who defend this, complain when ground vehicle traffic is shut down for a Presidential motorcade, hmm?

106 posted on 01/08/2005 7:03:23 PM PST by Chemist_Geek ("Drill, R&D, and conserve" should be our watchwords! Energy independence for America!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: Chummy
I wholeheartedly support aviation, including GA, but public safety and security must be paramount.

That's a very dangerous precedent you're allowing to be set.

"I wholeheartedly support (fill in the blank) but public safety and security must be paramount." Hunting? Shooting? Owning one's own vehicle?

107 posted on 01/08/2005 7:05:00 PM PST by Chemist_Geek ("Drill, R&D, and conserve" should be our watchwords! Energy independence for America!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: Admin Moderator

This "story" is petty compared to what Mayor Daley (D) did to GA here in Chicago. He had his demolition crews destroy the runways at Miegs Field literally in the middle of the night and used his executive powers to get rid of the airport and turn it into a park.

He said it was for security reasons so that small aircraft wouldn't be able to engage in terrorist attacks using Miegs Field as a base.

For anyone to say that a temporary restriction of flights around a single event where there will be tens or hundreds of thousands of people is comparable to this is to cheapen the phrase "Gestapo like tactics".


108 posted on 01/08/2005 7:07:18 PM PST by spinestein
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: HairOfTheDog
Does he really think anyone ought to be able to overfly the inauguration?

It's not just overflying "the inauguration;" it's overflying anything inside the red line:


109 posted on 01/08/2005 7:12:16 PM PST by Chemist_Geek ("Drill, R&D, and conserve" should be our watchwords! Energy independence for America!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 57 | View Replies]

To: Dashing Dasher
Just as an aside, I used to work for a guy who was getting his pilots license.
He used to joke about learning to fly, and was dreading his solo flight.
He told me his instructer gave him one rule to live by: Takeoffs are optional, landings are mandantory.
I thought it was funny, until I REALLY thought about it.
110 posted on 01/08/2005 7:13:28 PM PST by concretebob (The next time I turn the other cheek, it will be to line up a better shot.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 104 | View Replies]

To: Chemist_Geek

Understood, but you have to have a buffer big enough to have time to act on. You can't close airspace over a particular street and have an effective restriction.


111 posted on 01/08/2005 7:15:35 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 109 | View Replies]

To: Chummy
Even the smallest plane weighs several thousand pounds and when flown by a terrorist at a high rate of speed into a dense crowd of civilians will certainly result in the deaths of at least hundreds of people.

This is just from the result of the kinetic energy of a small aircraft plowing through a crowd at 150 mph WITHOUT explosives. If you figure any incendiary device or other dispersal weapons the deaths could be in the thousands.
112 posted on 01/08/2005 7:16:35 PM PST by spinestein
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: HairOfTheDog
Ya, but all the way to Baltimore?
113 posted on 01/08/2005 7:18:03 PM PST by Chemist_Geek ("Drill, R&D, and conserve" should be our watchwords! Energy independence for America!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 111 | View Replies]

To: Robinson Winslow

Crashed and burned!


114 posted on 01/08/2005 7:19:27 PM PST by Radix (Post Tag Lines: the breakfast of FReepers.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Robinson Winslow

This is the first inauguration since 9/11. Doesn't it make sense to you, the reason for the tight security? Not to mention that in whacko sites like DU and others people have been planning for monthes on how they could get past security to kill the president. I'm sure the FBI is aware of this and have made the necessary preparations according to the threat level. And how much damage can a small plane do? Kill the president and alot of bystanders, thats what. Get real!


115 posted on 01/08/2005 7:23:24 PM PST by beckysueb (God bless America and President Bush.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Chemist_Geek

For a short-term restriction for an event like this? Absolutely! How many minutes away is Baltimore at 100 knots?


116 posted on 01/08/2005 7:26:22 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 113 | View Replies]

To: Chemist_Geek

It has been about 15-20 years since I have flown, so I am not up on terminology or what changes may have taken place since then. However, at the time, if your plane did not have IFR instruments/clearance, the "upside-down wedding cake" WAS a no-fly zone. A Cessna 140 (which I was flying at the time) is not IFR rated.


117 posted on 01/08/2005 7:27:16 PM PST by jim_trent
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 106 | View Replies]

To: Robinson Winslow

I didn't think moonbats needed airplanes to fly?


118 posted on 01/08/2005 7:50:30 PM PST by eyespysomething (And a happy new year!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: mastercylinder
My pleasure. I've added you. Thanks. :^)

119 posted on 01/08/2005 7:53:01 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 89 | View Replies]

To: Robinson Winslow

You sound like a DU moron.


120 posted on 01/08/2005 7:54:20 PM PST by conservativecorner
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 81-100101-120121-140141-157 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson