Posted on 01/07/2005 3:53:37 PM PST by eleni121
The Roots of Islamic Terrorism: How Communists Helped Fundamentalists 1/8/2005 By Antero Leitzinger This article traces the roots of Islamic terrorism, with special focus on Afghanistan. Notes are added on practical and philosophical problems of world media in finding the right track. From systematic errors in revealing little details, to serious misconceptions about basic facts and principles, we can relatively easily learn how much of "common knowledge" rests actually on superficial research and popular myths. Instead of becoming critical and aware of the traps laid around the issue, both Islamists and Islamophobes fail to recognize how they are manipulated.
(Excerpt) Read more at globalpolitician.com ...
Don't trust the anti Shah propaganda. And don't trust trolls - camelsontheceiling - that appear out of nowhere.
http://wais.stanford.edu/ztopics/week112204/iran_041122_iranshahmullahspower.htm
wow. what a long read. interesting, having just finished the 'black book of communism', it is not inconceivable what the author is saying. It is certainly something to keep in mind. But, the whole report is highly speculative in a number of areas, most notably in the Chechnya conflict. I can believe it might be possible that Russian security forces provoked terrorism in order to aid in the reason for the invasion, but I have difficutly believing that support is still ongoing and that this author might have exaggerated it's importance. Notably, the author doesn't mention the recent school attack or the cinema attack or plane shoot down.
This sentence also caught my eye:
"Although Russia has blamed Muslim terrorists ("Afghan Arabs") for the tough Chechen resistance, more Ukrainian or ethnic Russian (!) volunteers have been sighted among Chechen freedom-fighters than Arabs or Afghans."
No source is cited and I find this hard to believe. I'll have to read more info. There is a clear link from socialism to terrorism, but I think it is better covered in Sharkosky (sp) 'case for democracy'.
Here is an analysis I wrote on the 'Causes of Terrorism'
http://www.neoperspectives.com/terrorism.htm
those are the facts - deal with them. i'm no fan of the mullahs or mossadeq either.
Thanks for posting that.
No source is cited and I find this hard to believe.
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I agree. This information seems to contradict many other sources.
As the article opens............
"This article traces the roots of Islamic terrorism, with special focus on Afghanistan. Notes are added on practical and philosophical problems of world media in finding the right track......."
OK. What year did communism start for all practical purposes?
A. Early 1920's once Lenin got truley entrenced in power.
When did Islam become a cult that soon was to use all types of terror by evading and forcing all to yield to it in the name of allah the sin moon god (rock in the old kasaba) according to those that rewrote the koran after all originals where recalled and burned?
A. Perhaps less then a hundred years after the 622AD date.
Now anyone that who even in a cursory form has studied the histories of the mid east, Europe starting with the mentioned of Islam and how it invaded and tried to take over the known world by intimidation, acts of terror, all out war etc., surely can see that regardless of what this character writes, though much of it is fine and perhaps accurate, has no bearing on the mental set of all those that strongly adhere to what the korean, hadith and other Muslim writings demand of it's followers. World conquest in the name of allah. All must submit.
This guy is in self denial to say the best, or for some reason tries to make the teachings of Islam to not be hostile to the rest of the world. I see no alternative to my conclusion.
I agree with your point about the fundamental nature of terror embedded in the fabric of the Islamic cult. That is not addressed in the article.
Although Soviet Marxism did not spring from an Orthodox monastery, Radical Islam did arise out of the teachings in the Koran nurtured however by radical western ideologies -think Sayyid Qutb or any number of Musim/Arab intellectuals - educated mainly in the west. Sure the 7th century saw the initial explosion of the cult but the 60s initiated an unholy alliance between left wing ideologies and islamic fanaticsm.
"Radical Islam did arise out of the teachings in the Koran nurtured however by radical western ideologies -think Sayyid Qutb or any number of Musim/Arab intellectuals - educated mainly in the west."
That is fine. But tell me what years the 800 Jews where beheaded. What year did the Arabs march into Jerusalem and take it over? Sort of the prelims taken by Pope Gregory prior to the first Crusade right? And I don't mean to put you and I into a long drawn out debate, but just what is meant by western ideologies? Is this to include the most direct contact early Arabs had between "eastern Orthodoxy: in the form of the Byzantium empire as formed by the eastern Catholic Church?
Point is and history bears it out, is shortly after Islam came into existence it became a very aggresive cult and took over much of the mid-east, parts of Africa, later Spain, blah.....blah ....blah.
Whether or not the Ruskkies had anything to do with proding them into carrying out their mission in life (to subdue and subjugate all infidels world wide, or not is a mute point).
They have had century after century of other countries to use as examples that did just aa bad as the Russians have done. As Muslims had started to be western educated and learn modern science etc, then along with the rest of us, learned how to create (or in their case purchases) modern weapontry, learn how to bomb innocents in the name of allah, plant bombs on airplanes, believe me they did not need the Russians to show them how to do this, etc., they realized that now the time was right to be able to vent their miseries on the rest of the world. Lasty, long before Communism and Nazism came into being, Muslims of all sects have been instructed from childhood to hate with all their hearts the Jews. Their koran tells us that God has punished the Jews and will not allow them to have a land of their own, because they would not submit to allah.
There simply is no way around this. Like I said I have no problems with how the Ruskkies fit into helping them become bolder, but inherently in their sect they are doomed to kill all who do not submit to allah and profess that Mohammud is his prophet.
What you say is true...but I do not use the term Russian or Russian when I speak about Communism - there are/were as many or more non Russians who were involved in the Bolshevik revolution as not.
Totally fascinating article. So hard to "prove" much of it though. I don't get why all these various Communists grow beards and take up the cause of Islamacism, and I agree with the critique re: the loose ends in the Chechnya connection.
Still, much of what he wrote was cited in authoratative books and the Soviets were always much better at agent provacatuers than the Western idiots in the media, and govt., were at spotting them.
Anyone wonder why Russia got so mad when Washington Post spilled the beans on Russian intelligence helping Saddam to move WMD's??
What I dont understand is why our own govt. does not do more to make these facts known! Perhaps moles in the our own services, or just spooks who really aren't that clever.
Thanks for the excellent history reminder!
They - Muslims and their Nazi allies - brutally butchered hundreds of thousands of Serbian Christians in WWII.
Folks-
In thinking about it for a moment, it is interesting to note that quite a number of the currently-recognized terrorist leaders were educated right here in the US. Perhaps the current Islamofascist craze is a sort of hybridized ideology between more extreme elements of the radical Marxism that is often preached in the Universities combined with bizarre interpretations of the Koran. Recall that such leftist-terrorist groups have and in some cases may still exist here outside of Islam. Plowshares, the allegedly Christian-motivated anti-nuke group, comes to mind. The left-wing professariat has no qualms about using religion or even encouraging the use of it to further greater political objectives, and we will no doubt see a resurfacing of this in the coming election cycle.
Incidentally, I had hardly stopped to notice how much of the Soviet tripe about America has entered the terrorist lexicon....
- denoting us as "imperialistic"
- accusing us of exploiting the third world
- various accusations associated with cultural "hedonism"
- noting of alleged "unparalleled greed"
Now, I will probably get some flack for this, but what about the links between:
Some christian sects and Islam
Neo-cons and socialistic idealism.
Give us the links.
The essay clearly alludes to what you are saying.
No doubt in my mind that many of these Islamic scum have internalized the vicious propaganda and anti Americanism offered up as "scholarship" in Western cacademia.
Are they - muslim fanatics, haters of anything American or Christian or free market ideology - here? No doubt! Of all varieties: foreign born and native born.
The most dangeous aspect of all this is that they cunningly exploit the freedoms that we hold so preciously putting us all in danger.
"What you say is true...but I do not use the term Russian or Russian when I speak about Communism - there are/were as many or more non Russians who were involved in the Bolshevik revolution as not."
Fair enough. Again the article contains some interesting things. I did not read it with deliberation. Perhaps I will revist it to pick up some of it's finer points.
Yes, in my limited scope of study I agree there was more to the Bolshevik revolution then some ethnic Russians. Germany,France,Britain and other countries harbored those earlier socialists groups, that helped forment the revolution. In this we are in perfect harmony.
Ive only read a few works on the subject and only retain one of those books at present.
At any rate thanks for the post.
"They - Muslims and their Nazi allies - brutally butchered hundreds of thousands of Serbian Christians in WWII."
A fact that many Americans seem not to know about. I do not condon what the Serbs did in return as far as their pursueing a "final solution" to their problem, but one to keep a somewhat balanced view must attempt to at least see how they reached the point where they wanted to get rid of all Muslims in their lands. It is just sad as usual that peoples have to find ways of committing mass murder for various reasons. I think Slabodan Milosevic placed to much faith in Russia to back him up and it obviously backfired on him.
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