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Laser targets Airlines in Nashville
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Posted on 01/02/2005 7:16:29 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants

Just reported: An airline on approach to the Nashville airport has had it's cockpit targeted by a green laser. The plane was about 6 miles out and at 3000 feet when the incident occurred. The plane landed safely and no one was injured.

This makes SEVERAL reports of green lasers being targeted at commercial airlines in the past several days. Something really weird is going on and it is a concerted effort by several individual groups acting in concert or one very mobile unit.


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: airline; airlinesecurity; jet; laser; plane; terrorists
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To: OneTimeLurker

If it is possible that kids are playing with lasers why would there be any concern or a news story?


121 posted on 01/02/2005 9:58:02 PM PST by ladyinred (Congratulations President Bush! Four more years!)
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To: FreedomCalls
I haven't yet watched the video but what does a 185 mW laser test have to do with my statement about a 5mW laser pointer?
122 posted on 01/02/2005 10:07:41 PM PST by steve86
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To: BearWash

Watch the video before you ask another question.


123 posted on 01/02/2005 10:10:32 PM PST by Red Sea Swimmer (Tisha5765Bav)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I own one of these green lasers. They are harmless. You would REALLY have to point it into someones eye and it would have to be there for awhile to do serious harm.

I have been hit in the eye a number of times and know other people that have as well.

This is noting more than kids or adults playing around with these things. They CAN NOT bring down a plane. They are NOT military type lasers.

With that said...anyone aiming one at an airplane is in violation of law.

They are harmless though...if used correctly. They can not do damage to anything.


124 posted on 01/02/2005 10:11:02 PM PST by Cheetah1
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To: Red Sea Swimmer
I refuse to upgrade to RealOne Player so I don't have the codec. Care to describe it to me?
125 posted on 01/02/2005 10:12:41 PM PST by steve86
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To: BearWash

Never mind, I see it's an MPEG. Will get it in just a minute.


126 posted on 01/02/2005 10:14:32 PM PST by steve86
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To: BearWash
Fair enough. The little laser device is placed on a table about a metre and a half from a plastic red cup. After about ten seconds a small hole, perhaps 3mm in diameter, is burned into the cup. Lasers are obviously potential weapons so the authorities are right to be concerned about their possible application for nefarious ends. (Lasers are great at parties though...)
127 posted on 01/02/2005 10:15:33 PM PST by Red Sea Swimmer (Tisha5765Bav)
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To: Red Sea Swimmer
OK, I saw it. Now I repeat my question. What does a 185 mW laser have to do with my statement about a 5 mW laser pointer?

Having worked at length in a National Laboratory, where lasers a magnitude more powerful are common, the video was quite unexceptional.

128 posted on 01/02/2005 10:19:57 PM PST by steve86
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To: BearWash
Having worked at length in a National Laboratory, where lasers a magnitude more powerful are common, the video was quite unexceptional.

The seller was selling them as Christmas gifts.

129 posted on 01/02/2005 10:26:58 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: BearWash
What does a 185 mW laser have to do with my statement about a 5 mW laser pointer?

The pilots are reporting high-power (assumed given the distance they are at) green lasers -- not 5 mW red lasers. So what does your statement about the harmlessness of 5 mW red lasers have to do with the news stories about the pilots getting painted with green lasers?

130 posted on 01/02/2005 10:29:37 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: FreedomCalls

Aha! Thanks! An array of "glass half-cubes" Almost what I guessed!
Now, do you think such a thing could be mounted on an airliner, maybe under the nose?


131 posted on 01/02/2005 10:36:07 PM PST by FreeKeys ("The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -- Edmund Burke)
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To: AmishDude

That would be a "laser" (with the quotation marks).


132 posted on 01/02/2005 10:39:45 PM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Related question, if someone ever does develop a "laser pistol", could it be regulated by our government? Since the ATF only has jurisdiction over explosives (not hot beams of light) who would grab it? No radiowaves so the FCC is out too.

Texas penal code outlaws pointing a laser pointer at the eyes of a law enforcement officer (and certain other public officials) but it is not against the law to shoot the common man on the street in the eyes (the law wouldn't distinguish different people based on profession).

133 posted on 01/02/2005 10:44:35 PM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: FreeKeys
Edmund Optics used to sell these, but I can't find them in their catalog. Here's another vendor though, and they have a cool picture and diagram.


134 posted on 01/02/2005 10:48:42 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: FreeKeys
Dang. Just as I posted the other one, I found it in the Edmund catalog. Here it is.

Now, do you think such a thing could be mounted on an airliner, maybe under the nose?

I don't see why not. They are certainly small enough to go nearly anywhere.

135 posted on 01/02/2005 10:50:55 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: ladyinred
"If it is possible that kids are playing with lasers why would there be any concern or a news story?"

Despite being possible or even probable, the FBI would investigate and the media would report it because of the sensational nature.
136 posted on 01/02/2005 10:51:13 PM PST by OneTimeLurker
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To: PistolPaknMama
Hardly. 6 miles out and 3000 feet is not the kind of laser you could pick up just anywhere.

Yes it is. 6 miles is not that far for even a pointer quality laser. The beam spread at 6 miles would probably be no more than 5 feet.

We have nothing but vague reports by pilots of laser light in the cockpit, no indication of the size of dot, or if its just a bright green blob of light when the look out the window. In other words, we have no indications of the quality or power of the laser involved.

Go get your laser leveler or laser pointer, and find a dark road with no traffic. (mount on camera tripod if you have one). Shine down the road to progressivly farther and farther traffic signs. You will find even an el-cheapo pointer will light up a traffic sign 4 or 5 miles away (and remember it has to bounce all the way back for you to see it).

137 posted on 01/02/2005 11:36:13 PM PST by konaice (Doink Doink!)
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To: FreedomCalls
So what does your statement about the harmlessness of 5 mW red lasers have to do with the news stories about the pilots getting painted with green lasers?

I don't recall mentioning "red" lasers. Why are you making up stuff?

Common green laser pointers are also 5 mW or less. The same regulations apply.

So how is the potential destructiveness (to Styrofoam) of a laser almost 40 times as powerful as the ones commonly available on street relevant to those who think you can go to Walmart and buy a laser pointer to blow an airliner out of the sky?

138 posted on 01/02/2005 11:56:28 PM PST by steve86
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To: konaice
6 miles is not that far for even a pointer quality laser. The beam spread at 6 miles would probably be no more than 5 feet.

You have to look at the power per centimeter^2 or similar. After diffusion, the intensity is going to be pretty meager.

139 posted on 01/02/2005 11:58:34 PM PST by steve86
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To: konaice
This topic does make me laugh, since pilots are not in any danger. When directly viewing any light source, especially at night, even a faint light will be visible. Simply because a pilot could see the laser, is only a testiment of their ability to notice something unusual.

Some evening, these pilots should look up at the sky. They will see thousands of lights pointing at them!

Pilots look at the Sun every day, and this is much brighter than any laser which has been reported. Pilots, like any other human, will simply blink, or avert their eyes when viewing a bright object. This is an involuntary reflex, which is used hundereds a times each day by the average person.

It only took me 30 seconds to locate this high-power Green laser.

...Our powerful 5mw laser uses a continuous beam (many others use only a 50% duty cycle resulting in a noticeably dimmer beam even though they have the same power rating)....Green laser pointers are great for pointing out subjects in the sky. Features a top quality Sony Laser Diode. Runs on 2 AAA batteries, included.

Most of the reported incidents have noted flashes of light illuminating the aircraft cockpit. This is exactly what would be viewed, if someone on the ground was moving a laser pointer and the airplane inadvertantly passed across the beam. No high-tech targeting device could have been used, or the beam would have been steady.

As usual, this is simply a case of media hype.

140 posted on 01/03/2005 12:05:34 AM PST by Hunble
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