Posted on 12/17/2004 8:06:02 AM PST by KMC1
VITRIOL, VENOM, AND VOTERS: When you visit far left bloggers like TalkingPointsMemo and DailyKos you can get the impression that democrats across the board violently disagree with the President on setting aside a small portion of Social Security taxes for the individual taxpayer to be able to privately invest/save/plan with.
A brand new (Opinion Dynamics) poll debunks that...
The poll asked:
"Should people have the choice to invest a small amount privately?"
YES - 60%, NO - 27%
"Would you privately invest some of your Social Security money?"
Total Population - 55%
30 and Younger - 71%
30-45 Years of Age - 69%
46-55 Years of Age - 51%
56-64 Years of Age - 48%
65 and Older - 33%
"Should people have the choice to invest a small amount privately?"
Democrats - 53% Yes/37% No
Republicans - 71% Yes/12% No
Independents - 55% Yes/34% No
Certainly looks like a winning issue in the public's eye...I hope the President attempts to make it happen.
This is an excerpt, to read more click here...
Very misleading headline. If the interviewees had been asked "do you support Bush's plan to..." the 'rat respondents would have been 2-1 against it. Any question that begins "should people have the choice to..." gets over 50% of the vote. This has nothing to do with views on retirement funding and everything to do with how the question is phrased.
If SS were privatized (fully) within 2 generations there would be no need for AARP. They are opposed to privatization for the simple fact that it posses a serious threat to their existence.
Just those 2 words alone will cause many to say no when they would say yes to the actual plan.
“Feel free to fix it but don't you dare change it in anyway. Immediately institute a tax increase to cover Congressional time lost on this exercise of political folly. Thank you very much!”
Your friends
Nancy and Harry
Interesting. But I don't get why we can't choose to opt out of it entirely if we wish. It is pure tyranny to force a citizen to particpate in a socialistic program. Our founding fathers would be rolling in their graves.
As Thomas Jefferson said:
From time to time, the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots.
As long as you're not a troll, you won't get kicked off. You're free to dissent any way you wish. Make reasoned arguments, support your points and you're welcome to stay.
A couple paragraphs of "bush is hitler, Bush is evil, Cheney is the Anti-Christ" and you're gone in record time.
I also agree with you. SS is a mess and it will fail unless it's reformed. The folks not wanting to reform it are the ones getting the benefits from the current system now, or soon.
Thanks, I don't live under a bridge, just like good discussion, and I can ignore all the Kerry bashing you can dish out.
These are great numbers for a straight up or down question. We could turn some of the no voters with some education.
To tag along with your email, about turning the voters with education...I think that is the key going forward.
Most schools aren't going to tell the truth about...well, anything...as long as truth is relative. People--especially young people--need to know the truth about saving, investing, how finance works, and other assorted measures...why tax cuts actually increase tax revenues, and so on. Start with the neighbors, and build from there.
Great idea. The more people learn, the more power they have. Let's use and grant that power for the good.
Why wouldn't they!!!
Take a lifetime minimum wage employee; give them their full 12.4% social security contribution; the historic long-term stock return; and 45 years of compounding...
...and they could retire a millionaire!
The reason is because it's a house of cards, and you, I, and all of the other current payees form the foundation of that house. Without our current payments, the system collapses.
That's kind of funny when you think about it. If you check your social security statement and work the math, you'll find that the government is promising little or no return on your money...heck, my math shows a projected return of -1% over my lifetime! To think that over 40 or 45 years that you couldn't outgain the government is absurd!
The social security system should be reformed in such a way that, in a generation's time, it should be totally free of obligations to all workers. It's only concern should be those people left behind. And, even then, with the wealth creation and portability of proposed systems (i.e. deceased husband's account goes to his surviving heirs), even those people should have more resources available to them than they have today.
Silly talk! Don't you remember we Republicans don't care about the little people who get left behind?? </sarcasm>
The reason is because it's a house of cards, and you, I, and all of the other current payees form the foundation of that house. Without our current payments, the system collapses.
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True, but then the people younger then us wouldn't have to pay for us. It is a fiendlishly clever socialistic idea that was designed to make it nearly impossible to dismantle. I believe Roosevelt himself once said as much.
Ultimately we'll just have to grow the economy enough to make up the difference. This program has to die.
I thought we would've been spared the polls until after Bush's inauguration, at the least.
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