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Chiefs oppose police immigration role
The Washington Times ^ | December 01, 2004 | UPI Article

Posted on 12/03/2004 6:40:54 AM PST by Ron H.

Washington, DC, Dec. 1 (UPI) -- The world's largest group of law enforcement executives said Wednesday it opposes legislation to compel police enforcement of immigration laws.

The International Association of Chiefs of Police said it opposes the Clear Law Enforcement For Criminal Alien Removal Act, and urged "Congress to proceed with caution when considering measures that would compel local and state law enforcement agencies to enforce federal immigration laws."

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Of all the groups in America the (IACP) Chiefs of Police should be pro-active in enforcing our laws. They are in essence advocating lawlessness. What law will they next want to disobey?!
1 posted on 12/03/2004 6:40:55 AM PST by Ron H.
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To: Ron H.

"yes, we're actively opposed to any law that says that we're suppoosed to do the job we are paid for."

isn't that what he said?


2 posted on 12/03/2004 6:43:56 AM PST by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it with something for you))
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To: Ron H.

Yeah they want to wait until some psycho kills an innocent women or couple in their own home. since when is Law Enforcement in a community a pick and choose practice.(In Theory) For the Police Chiefs to turn a blind eye to the criminal activity associated with illegals is just plain stupid. And irresponsible to the communities they serve.


3 posted on 12/03/2004 6:45:44 AM PST by marty60
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To: Ron H.

...and we must wonder WHY the same group doesn't oppose enforcement of all the laws on the books that are in direct contradiction to the Second Ammendment!


4 posted on 12/03/2004 6:48:11 AM PST by hiredhand ( "Pudge the Indestructible Kitty" lives at - http://www.justonemorefarm.com)
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To: Ron H.

Police chiefs are not law enforcement officers. They are politicians doing what politicians always do. They want all of the authority and none of the responsibility. Police chief organizations seem to bring out the worst attributes of police chiefs.


5 posted on 12/03/2004 6:48:25 AM PST by FreePaul
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To: Ron H.
This group of chiefs should be named, the

"Politically Correct Liberal Suckups Whe Want To Be Elected To Higher Office."

6 posted on 12/03/2004 6:49:05 AM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Ron H.

This is very disturbing in that local law enforcement is essential to "soft border" enforcement. Any effective immigration policy will rely heavily on local action. For example, if an immigrant over-stays a student visa, that information should automatically result in the issuance of an arrest warrant and entered into the national criminal database. More likely than not that illegal alien will encounter local law enforcement (bar fight, traffic ticket, etc.) who would run a check, see the warrant, and be able to arrest the individual on the immigration charge and on the probable cause for the stop/detention.


7 posted on 12/03/2004 7:05:33 AM PST by KeyesPlease
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To: Ron H.
Well, I personally think that they can see this one as a no-win situation for them, i.e. they know that there are many criminal elements in the illegal population that are committing crimes but they are also savy enough to know that there is a very large business interest in gaining cheap labor, not to mention the biggie of them all - the President wishes to keep illegals in place in this country with some sort of legal status.

I don't for a minute believe that the Chiefs of Police want the situation that might be dumped in their laps and make them the ultimate bad actors here.

8 posted on 12/03/2004 7:08:37 AM PST by zerosix
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To: zerosix

I agree

and they wont be getting paid any extra for it.

I am sure they are looking for a financial incentive to take on additional duties....


9 posted on 12/03/2004 7:16:04 AM PST by MikefromOhio (37 days until I can leave Iraq for good....)
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To: zerosix
I don't for a minute believe that the Chiefs of Police want the situation that might be dumped in their laps and make them the ultimate bad actors here.

Perhaps they should maybe resign their positions if they feel they can't fulfull their oathes of offices and/or commissions and duty to the American citizen tax payer.




10 posted on 12/03/2004 7:21:32 AM PST by Ron H. (Immigration to America has always been a privilege and never a right!)
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To: Ron H.

International Association? Is there an American Association?


11 posted on 12/03/2004 7:32:08 AM PST by heartwood
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To: Ron H.
considering measures that would compel local and state law enforcement agencies to enforce federal immigration laws

Might have some constitutional problems. I don't think the federal government can comandeer local government officials to enforce federal laws. I seem to remember some stink a few years back when a local sheriff wouldn't conduct background checks per federal law, and it went all the way to the Supreme Court, and the sheriff won.

I'm usually pretty good with names, but I've forgotten it now. Any help?

12 posted on 12/03/2004 7:34:19 AM PST by Publius Valerius
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To: camle
yes, we're actively opposed to any law that says that we're suppoosed to do the job we are paid for

No, I don't think so. Whether this guy is saying this or not, the job of local police is certainly not to enforce federal law, and I have a GREAT deal of trouble with a federal government that can order state and local executive officers to do the Federal government's bidding.

If the Congress wants to make such laws, let them use federal agents to enforce the laws.

13 posted on 12/03/2004 7:36:55 AM PST by Publius Valerius
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To: Ron H.
I don't disagree with your premise that anyone refusing to furnish the citizens with protection, should not be in the job but the point that I am trying to make here is in favor of the good guys, and I know of a few and really good about who they are and what they are about, and I know that they are really upset about the illegals running around committing crimes in areas that had previously been crime free. But to suggest that local police begin acting as INS Agents and Border Patrol, is not only unfair on it's face because they need to concentrate on one job - and that is the one that they hired on to do - round up the bad guys and lock them up.

What we need is a really effective federal force with local jurisdiction to do this job - when or if we can convince Washington that "WE THE PEOPLE" demand that this be done.

14 posted on 12/03/2004 7:41:55 AM PST by zerosix
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To: Ron H.

So now the police chiefs are deciding which federal laws they will enforce.

Since there is no confiscation that is worth while in immigration they'd rather pick on people they can kill with impunity who might have something left over worth stealing.

That would be American Citizens.


15 posted on 12/03/2004 7:50:35 AM PST by Pylot
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To: Publius Valerius
If the Congress wants to make such laws, let them use federal agents to enforce the laws

Exactly! Securing our borders and repelling invasions is a Constitutionally enumerated duty of the FEDERAL government.

They have no authority to force local police to do it for them.

Hey, Uncle Sam..... Why don't you pull all our soldiers from these countries that do nothing but talk $hit about us and UPHOLD THE LAW!

16 posted on 12/03/2004 7:51:15 AM PST by MamaTexan (I am NOT a 'legal entity')
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To: Publius Valerius
Might have some constitutional problems. I don't think the federal government can comandeer local government officials to enforce federal laws. ....

Well let's see here. If it is a constitutional problem to enforce a federal law on immigration violations then should the local LEO's enforce armed robbery of Federal Banks? Of violations of federal firearm laws? Of using fraudulent passports and other federally issued documents? Of federal possession of federally prohibited explosives or other harmful detonating devices? The list could go on and on if one starts thinking about the many federal laws that the locals already enforce or make arrests for during the course of a routine day. I think you get my point here.

I'm not trying to be flippant but the analogy you proffered isn't unique but one the OBL types like to present as reasons why not to enforce our federal immigration laws and stopping the mass invasion of the law breakers from outside our borders.




17 posted on 12/03/2004 8:12:42 AM PST by Ron H. (Immigration to America has always been a privilege and never a right!)
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To: zerosix

See post #17.


18 posted on 12/03/2004 8:14:27 AM PST by Ron H. (Immigration to America has always been a privilege and never a right!)
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To: MamaTexan
Well, let's see now. Only until just recently the local LEO agencies have for better than two centuries actively enforced our nations federal laws including immigration violations. By using your and the OBL analogy of this then when a LEO comes into contact with an alleged child kidnapper who kidnaps, say an 11 year child (a state criminal statue violation) and crosses the border into another state (another states jurisdiction in which no state law has been committed in the secondary state) and is confronted with the person who broke another states law on kidnapping that the secondary LEO should not apprehend the person and hold them for the other state where the original state law violation occurred and/or the appropriate federal LEO agency since it is only a federal crime in the secondary state for crossing a state line and not a state law violation in the secondary state?

Then they (LEO) get to use as a defense that they can't get involved since it is a federal law violation and not a state law that is being broken in the secondary state? Whew, what logic some people will use to try and justify their positions to open our borders to millions of law breakers.

You know, if this can be carried to its next logical step one could easily argue that then maybe what is needed is only federal LEO agencies and do away with the useless local agencies since they have been renedered impudient. Wasn't that the scenario in H.G. Wells famous book, '1984'.

19 posted on 12/03/2004 8:38:50 AM PST by Ron H. (Immigration to America has always been a privilege and never a right!)
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To: Ron H.; All

I've found that many political arms of these groups are quite liberal, but they don't always speak for their members. There is an articulate, informed black gentleman named Terry Anderson who has been fighting this illegal migration for years. The Los Angles Sheriff's union has purchased ads for his radio show to show support. http://www.theterryandersonshow.com/


20 posted on 12/03/2004 8:40:59 AM PST by AuntB (Every person who enters the U.S. illegally--from anywhere--increases the likelihood of another 9/11)
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