Plea from help from Ukraine

Email | 11/23/2004 | Stefan Tanisijczuk

[Leo Carpathian]

Here is an email I received from one of my relatives in Ukraine. Please read.

"After the numerous infringements and violations committed by the Ukrainian state authority during yesterday's presidential election, the revolution in Ukraine is ready to begin. Please help us, the Ukrainians, to guarantee the democracy in our country and the liberated election. Don't sell us to the bandits! President Bush helped Iraq to get rid of the dictatorship. Lend us a hand to prevent it! Stop the new USSR! 50 millions need your help now!

The publicizing of this information and cry for help may save the lives of many innocent patriotic citizens. We believe that the United States of America is the most democratic and authoritative country. We also believe it is ready to help Ukraine keep its independence and stop the autocracy. Please help us save our fatherland! "

Stefan Tanasijczuk

and here is the info about activities in USA:

Dorohi (Dear)! We have SOLID, approved information to pass along.

Tuesday, Nov. 23th, 10am, NYC What: Protest/demonstration at 2 consulates Where: Ukrainian Consulate (240 East 49th Street between 2nd & 3rd Avenues) at 10am followed by a "Putin & Russia Keep Your Hands Off Ukraine Rally" in front of the Russian Mission (136 East 67th Street and/or the Russian Consulate at 9 East 91st Street). Be as orange as you can be, stay as long as you can.

Wednesday, Nov. 24th, 1:30pm – Washington, DC What: protest rally Where: Embassy of Ukraine (3350 M st, N.W. Washington, D.C. 20007 (in Georgetown) then moving to Capitol Hill Car pool, talk to people, charter buses - get there. The permits are obtained; people are already organizing down there.

Several people are leaving either after the protest in nyc in the evening, or early am. for DC, .. like 630 on wednesday morning, leaving any later will be pointless as traffic will be murder. Most of us will then most likely return either on wed night or Thursday morning. If you can give a ride, please volunteer. (contact me at znymka@hotmail.com). There may be buses chartered to go down… that is still in the planning phase.

Make posters, orange is the color, wear it, wave it, post it...

[Solon]

What planet are you from now?

Let's review some basics.

Nov 10: Official results of the first round show Yushchenko on 39.87 percent of the vote, narrowly ahead of Yanukovich on 39.32 percent.

A concerted and forceful program of electoral fraud and abuse was enacted with either the leadership or cooperation of Ukrainian governmental authorities," Senator Lugar reported. (This is a US Senator)

Kiev city council refuses to recognise the results and calls on parliament not to approve it. (Kyiv is the just the capital you know.)

OSCE observers say the vote was not democratic,

Four high ranking diplomats from the Ukrainian embassy in DC said voters were subjected to incessant threats, terror and massive fraud.

No one but no one, outside of of meddling Russia, views Yanukovych as the legitimate president of Ykraiha.

And as far as the eastern part - Have you ever looked at pictures of Luhansk? Good grief - it's butt ugly. They'll just have to take a midol and get over losing an election.

So where are the people in support of Yanukovych? What no massive demonstration of support in lovey dowtown Luhansk? There wouldn't be any in Kherson (you know in southern Ukr) because they didn't vote unanimiously for Yanukovych.

[jb6]

Your great grandfather was alive in 1861? Well, considering that 150 years ago, most of Europe was still either practicing serfdom, with the exception of England, which was practicing slavery, just not on its own. As for the Soviets and starvation, lets not forget that 9 million Russian kulaks were equally starved by a Georgian named Stalin and his side kicks the Georgian Beria and Ukrainian Kruschov.

[jb6]

Of course if we are to note such things, then we must note that 1. US/NATO bombed the Serbs in Bosnia and armed the Croats to exterminate the Serbs in Krina after those Serbs decided they wanted to be part of Serbia. That's a no-no. Of course for Slovania, Croatia and Bosnia to suceed equally illegally, why that was a good thing.

Nothing like the rank smell of hypocracy early in the morning. (ok evening)

[Solon]

The million people there voted by about 90% to secede from the Ukraine in 1991 (as did the Russian province of the Crimea)

Why are you saying this? In 1991, they voted by 78% for autonomy but never for secession. Huge difference.

A perfect example is the Trans-Carpathian Oblast... ( The people there historically called themselves Carpatho-Russians and have always rejected the "Ukrainian" ethno-political movement......

This is misleading. You're perfectly aware that an ethnic debate has been going on there for decades- same situation with Lemkos. Catholics in Zakarpatska would never call themselves Carpatho Russians. If your statement were to be true than Zakarpatska would have voted for Yanukovych. It did not.

[jb6]

Absolutely, and by that logic, Gore should have been in the White House, after all all the EUers agreed with it. And they are still recounting to find that Bush "lost". Give them time, the techniques of Soros and company are well honed. Or did you not know that the West's candidate is a Soros man through and through. Guess raping Georgia wasn't enough to sait his appitite this year.

[jb6]

So what happens if the citizens of Kharkov Oblast all become Russian citizens? Do they seperate? Become defacto another nations? If they flat out refuse to acknowledge their former regime for the new one who's citizenship they took, do they then get ethnically cleansed?

[jb6]

It seems that many living in Eastern Ukraine are unpatriotic to their country if they refuse to do these things

Maybe that is because in 1991 no one asked those people if they wanted to become part of a new nation, as opposed to sticking to the one they were in.

[jb6]

So why should a majority be subject to a minority in a democracy?

Because that minority is the favorite of the MSM, State Department and Soros. Now if you replace those names with Bush and Kerry and run this same story, see what outrage you'll generate.

[jb6]

I see. The country is called UKRAINE, but it is oppression to force people to speak Ukrainian.

Well, you had best take your crusade to Belgium, England, Switzerland, Germany, France, Yugoslavia, Romania, Canada and here in the USA.

[jb6]

Pretty much denied us our individual national identity.

Pray tell when that identity actually existed? Most of Ukraine was not even populated by Slavs until the last 300 years and it was done so by Russians and Russian Cossaks. Azov was captured by Cossaks that asked the Tsars to come annex it.

[jb6]

Well, except for the fact that the Russians were continually oppressing the Ukraine for over 300 years.

How were they oppressing them? By making the leaders of the Cossaks into aristocrats? By building Kharkov and Lugansk? Or rebuilding Kiev? By driving out the Turks for Ukrainian settlement? Except for Cossaks revolts, which occured on and off in all cossak lands, where was this great revolution to be oppressed?

It's funny that for such an oppressed people, the vast majority want back into unification with Russia and only the ones that live in the West (Ukraine and US) are the ultra nationalists. Hmmm.

[A. Pole]

OSCE observers say the vote was not democratic,

They did not say it. That said that was not up to the EU standards. They said the same thing about 2000 and 2004 US elections.

[Solon]

As for the Soviets and starvation, lets not forget that 9 million Russian kulaks were equally starved by a Georgian named Stalin and his side kicks the Georgian Beria and Ukrainian Kruschov.

OMG! Holy chit! & OMG again.

1. Khrushchev was an ethnic Russian born in Ukraine. He is not now nor has ever been an ethnic Ukrainian.

2. Well pt.2 is ..... I really have no idea what your talking about.

[jb6]

Doesn't this just seem just like what we went through? In the red states all is quiet, in the blue states and bordering areas, total hysterical melt down.

[jb6]

People need stability but SORO's opposition wanna shock. We must not give them does it!

[Solon]

They did not say it.

Hell yeah they did. Do a google search. I did. I'll help ya. Here is one of the new stories:

OSCE Says Ukrainian Election Falls Short of Democratic Standards--- Radio Free Europe

[A. Pole]

OSCE Says Ukrainian Election Falls Short of Democratic Standards

That is what I said - "not up to the EU standards." And they said it about US elections too.

[jb6]

First off, Kruschev is not a Russian name. Sorry there, but it isn't. Second of all Born a Ukrainian peasant, Nikita Sergeyevich Khrushchev joined the Communist party in 1918 and rose through the ranks to become a member of its central committee by 1934

Dirt poor peasants in those days did not move around much.

Nikita Sergeievich Khrushchev (1894-1971) born in poor village of Kalinovka, in the Kursk district of the Ukraine. He was the son of peasant Sergei Nicaronovich Khrushchev.

That is why, he reshuffled Kiev Oblast and Crimea to the Soviet Republic of Ukraine.

[jb6]

Well according to the BBC's comment from the OSCE US vote 'mostly free and fair' Observers said queues at polling stations were too long The US elections "mostly met" standards for freedom and fairness, international observers have said.

[Solon]

That is what I said - "not up to the EU standards." And they said it about US elections too.

What the ....

A concerted and forceful program of electoral fraud and abuse was enacted with either the leadership or cooperation of Ukrainian governmental authorities," Senator Lugar reported.

Is the gravity of Sen. Lugar's statement lost on you? He gives credibility to OSCE pronouncements regarding Ukrainian elections. For pete's sake, a policeman was shot dead at one of the poles.

What point are you trying to make?