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Condi: Why I Support the Second Amendment
Newsmax ^ | Carl Limbacher

Posted on 11/20/2004 6:52:50 PM PST by KoRn

Saturday, Nov. 20, 2004 9:36 p.m. EST

Condi: Why I Support the Second Amendment

Secretary of State nominee Dr. Condoleezza Rice is a big supporter of the second amendment, a commitment cultivated during her days growing up in Bull Conner's Birmingham, Alabama, when the shotgun wielded by her father was often the only thing that stood between her family and the Ku Klux Klan.

In 1963, racial violence was "turning her hometown into 'Bombingham' as Alabama’s governor George Wallace fought a federal court order to integrate the city’s schools," writes Rice biographer Antonia Felix.

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In excerpts of her book "The Condoleezza Rice Story," reprinted in the London Sunday Times, Felix recounts:

"With the bombings came marauding groups of armed white vigilantes called 'nightriders,' who drove through black neighborhoods shooting and starting fires. [Condi's father] John Rice and his neighbors guarded the streets at night with shotguns.

"The memory of her father out on patrol lies behind Rice’s opposition to gun control today. Had those guns been registered, she argues, Bull Connor would have had a legal right to take them away, thereby removing one of the black community’s only means of defense."

"I have a sort of pure second amendment view of the right to bear arms," said the future Secretary of State.


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To: bad company

Yup Yup!

81 posted on 11/20/2004 10:01:41 PM PST by KoRn
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To: TexasCowboy; Marine Inspector; Happy2BMe
>>CONDI IN 2008!<<

Can I stand beside you in support for her?

I think she will be our one and only chance to get some control over the illegals. Hopefully, she will try to protect the black American citizens more than she would an illegal alien from what ever country.
82 posted on 11/20/2004 10:24:31 PM PST by B4Ranch (The lack of alcohol in my coffee is forcing me to see reality!)
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To: B4Ranch; TexasCowboy; Marine Inspector; Happy2BMe; Missouri; MegaSilver; JackelopeBreeder; ...
I think she will be our one and only chance to get some control over the illegals.

It's hard to say what she thinks about these issues. I'd like to think she's tougher than her president, but I doubt that she will take any steps that go beyond his will. Here's an interesting Condoleeza quote:

RICE: You cannot support illegal immigration. George W. Bush has also said that you have to understand that family values don't stop at the Rio Grande and, assuming there are no acceptable choices, people are going to come and make themselves better.

TIE: So if NAFTA is a success, we will have fewer immigrants here.

RICE: That's right, and we'll have a good trading partner.
-- Rice Talk - interview with Condoleeza Rice, primary foreign policy advisor to George W. Bush - Interview
I'll say it: this is too little, too late. Elsewhere she says things like:
“I think that these are decent people,” said national security adviser Condoleeza Rice in describing Hispanics in this country illegally. “They are people who are just trying to work and make life better for their family. We can deal with the border issue. ” -- Still Pushing for Reform Proposed guest-worker plan prompts dissension within GOP ranks. By Tim Chávez
I don't disagree with the above statement, but it ignores the corrolary: decent people who don't belong here are still hurting us. They're taking jobs away from our lower and middle classes, they're burdening our overpriced social safety nets, and they are shifting our culture toward Hispanic instead of Anglo-Saxon. Why would we want to abandon our lower class citizens and scrap our English language? Why would we want to foot the bill for billions of dollars in state and federal safety net services that we had no ability to forecast? Why would we leave open a border to a nation which is entertaining trade with Iran, and has its own "southern border security" problems?

Republicans are still afraid to say and do things that the far left may interpret in a politically incorrect manner. That's the fundamental problem with our country, though.

This problem starts at the top of the party and works its way downward. The party needs to wake up and smell the coffee. Average Joes and Janes across our country are asking why the Democrats and the Republicans don't seem to care about the things that matter most to them. Meanwhile we have unconstitutional flag desecration initiatives and faith-based initiatives that fund mosques. An Imam gave a consecration at the RNC convention, and the First Nephew gave a whole speech in Spanish. Where is the party's resolve? Why does it bog itself down in contentious issues while our borders are overrun?

The party needs to prioiritize. I see it foundering on its personal pet problems, often working backward from the real issues that trigger the symptoms the RNC tries in vain to fight. Want stronger, more enthusiastic families? Protect America's future and assure young people everywhere across the land that their physical and economic security is rock solid. Then you'll have large, happy families as far as the eye can see. Ignore those problems, and you'll have nothing but death and dismay. Look at the root of the problem, not just the symptoms! Illegal and excessive immigration is central to the issue of native-born Americans questioning their future.

We need stronger leadership on this issue than, "family values don't stop at the border." It's long overdue!

83 posted on 11/20/2004 11:03:41 PM PST by risk
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To: Smacky
How very many times, I wonder, this very scenario is played out all across our country these days. Not necessarily against the klan, obviously, but in defense of self/family/property. You almost never hear about it and naturally the MSM isn't going to report it. It's surprising.

The only report I see is every month in the American Rifleman magazine from the National Rifle Association.

It has happened three times in my life. I dropped my girlfriend off in Arvada, Colorado about 2:00 am and was cutting across Northeast Denver to return home to Aurora. Two men tried several times to run me off of the road. They left in a hurry when they saw my Ruger 44 magnum.

Another time, a neighbor saw two guys trying to steal my car parked in front of our apartment. He went out with a gun and they left quickly.

One winter night when I was away from home, a guy was trying to break in the door to our garden level apartment in Aurora. My wife called the police to report it and then yelled to the guy that she had a gun and was going to shoot. When the police arrived, they found him laying on the ground with a compound fracture in his leg. He had slipped on the ice trying to run away. He told the police that some woman with a gun tried to attack him. My wife asked the police officer what she should have done if he hadn't stopped. The officer said, "When he comes in, shoot him and keep shooting until the gun is empty. Then throw the gun at him. That way there is no question about you being in fear of your life."

84 posted on 11/21/2004 7:53:55 AM PST by ORECON (Condi Rice/Ann Coulter - 2008)
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To: El Gato

85 posted on 11/21/2004 8:56:04 AM PST by xp38
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To: risk
I don't think Condi will publicly speak against the Presidents programs. She shouldn't, in my opinion.

>>“They are people who are just trying to work and make life better for their family. We can deal with the border issue. ”<<

This is the kind of statement that irritates me. Bank robbers, thieves and the like are all "just trying to work and make life better for their family".

Their chosen profession is what gets them in hot water.

TITLE 8 > CHAPTER 12 > SUBCHAPTER II Release date: 2004-02-11 doesn't mention a word about permitting illegal aliens who sneak into America having the right to stay here. Nor does it say they are entitled to public benefits.

They are violationg the law, just as bank robbers, thieves and the like do. When the President, Congress and the Attorney General agree, under the table, that these illegal alien criminals should not be penalized then I can see a case for profiling that bank robbers could win. Any law that is accepted by the Courts should be enforced nationwide without prejudice or exception.
86 posted on 11/21/2004 9:39:45 AM PST by B4Ranch (The lack of alcohol in my coffee is forcing me to see reality!)
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To: KoRn

BTTT


87 posted on 11/21/2004 9:41:17 AM PST by spodefly (I've posted nothing but BTTT over 1000 times!!!)
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To: KoRn

Isn't it amazing that first-hand experience with tyranny makes you see what the 2nd Amendment was made for?

She makes me proud!


88 posted on 11/21/2004 10:02:43 AM PST by Altamira
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To: B4Ranch

bttt


89 posted on 11/21/2004 11:38:15 AM PST by risk
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To: montag813

My sentiments precisely.


90 posted on 11/21/2004 12:39:50 PM PST by TAdams8591 (BORK SPECTER!!!)
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To: All
2nd Amendment / Condi Ping!
91 posted on 11/21/2004 4:02:50 PM PST by KoRn
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To: KoRn
"Had those guns been registered, she argues, Bull Connor would have had a legal right to take them away, thereby removing one of the black community’s only means of defense."

Now if only my Jewish friends on the left would come to the same conclusion, their use of the term "Never Again" would have more credibility.

92 posted on 11/21/2004 4:07:46 PM PST by muir_redwoods
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To: ORECON

OMG. What a great story. Must be nice to have a PD that understands.

When these guys hopped my fence at 3 AM, I grabbed the PDW and ran outside (I rebarreled a m1 carbine, pistol gripstock and a 15 rd mag of roll-yer-own soft-points). Obviously, they exited in a hurry. I've known nobody else here (Hawaii) who has ever done this, though I have seen several stories posted on the High Road boards. When I asked the officers (always call, of course), they told me that if I had shot them, they'd probably have to arrest me. Paradise, my a$$.

BTW, I get America's First Freedom, and the first thing I usually look at is the "Armed Citizen".


93 posted on 11/21/2004 7:16:45 PM PST by Smacky
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To: KoRn

It's no wonder the Libs are frothing at the mouth in rage at her appointment to SOS. They fear her.


94 posted on 11/21/2004 7:26:44 PM PST by Gritty ("You gotta start travelling with a bodyguard. Liberals are out of their minds!-Ann Coulter)
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To: Smacky

I have known and worked with many police officers in my life. A couple are my best friends. It is rarely the cop on the street you have to worry about. I have yet to find one that isn’t pro Second Amendment. It is the Chief of Police, District Attorney, and politicians that you have to worry about. They set the agendas and procedures the street cops have to follow. Every police officer I have talked to on the subject says they do their best but they can’t protect you 24/7, so you have to be prepared to protect yourself. Call 911 and Pizza Hut and see who gets there first.


95 posted on 11/21/2004 7:55:38 PM PST by ORECON (Condi Rice/Ann Coulter - 2008)
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To: ORECON

Hey. I didn't mean to imply that the officers here are anti 2nd ammendement, though many are. But, without trying to draw too much of a generalization, many of them draw a distinction between RKBA and shooting someone in defense. I think it's important to point out that we, not only have to register all firearms and have a 14 day wait, but in many of the mandatory 'judicious use' classes, it's stressed that even maiming in defense is grounds for prosecution. The instructors do, however, point out that alive and in jail is better than dead; to which I totally agree. And i know some PO's, though by no means many and I'd guess that it's split fairly down the middle re: the 2nd.

Fortunately, as in my case and as I understand in majority of cases, it never actually gets to that point and merely brandishing (and a few choice words at full volume) is more than enough incentive for perps to evaporate.


96 posted on 11/21/2004 11:03:37 PM PST by Smacky
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To: KoRn

97 posted on 11/22/2004 4:06:02 AM PST by freepatriot32 (http://chonlalonde.blogspot.com)
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To: KoRn

While the right to bear a shotgun is essential to protect oneself from kkk terrorists, the second ammendment is about protecting US citizens from government terrorists. Like Janet Reno, for example. Did Dr. Rice mention the original intent of the founders?


98 posted on 11/22/2004 4:10:17 AM PST by the invisib1e hand (if a man lives long enough, he gets to see the same thing over and over.)
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To: TexasCowboy

Condi is great for 2008!


99 posted on 11/22/2004 4:11:35 AM PST by LZ_Bayonet
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