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Bush Betrayal On Illegals (We Need More Secure Not More Open Borders Alert)
Worldnetdaily.com ^ | 11/15/04 | Joseph Farah

Posted on 11/14/2004 11:08:06 PM PST by goldstategop

It didn't take long for President Bush to betray those who returned him to office for another four years.

The first big insult to his base came this week when he moved to resurrect his ugly plan to relax rules against illegal immigration – as if they weren't relaxed enough.

Bush reportedly met privately in the Oval Office with Sen. John McCain to discuss re-igniting his badly misguided initiative to grant legal status to millions of immigrants who broke the law to enter the United States.

McCain is one of the Senate's most outspoken supporters of expanding guest-worker programs and has introduced his own bill to offer a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants – in other words, another amnesty program like those that have failed so badly in the past. It's time for the American people to rise up, once again, and denounce this plan as vociferously as possible – not just to defeat it, but to put a stake through its heart once and for all.

The leader in Congress on this issue is Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., who characterized Bush's plan for what it is:

An amnesty by any other name is still an amnesty, regardless of what the White House wants to call it. Their amnesty plan was dead on arrival when they sent it to the Congress in January, and if they send the same pig with lipstick back to Congress next January, it will suffer the same fate.

Let's hope he is right. But, more importantly, let's be sure he is right by lending him the nationwide support he needs to ensure defeat of this dangerous proposal.

Why dangerous? Because this nation is at war. It is an unconventional war waged by monsters who have in the past used our lax immigration policies to attack us here at home – and they are certain to do so again.

As astonishing as it is to believe, U.S. borders actually became more porous following the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorists attacks and the incorporation of immigration enforcement agencies within the Department of Homeland Security.

It should surprise no one that illegal immigration into the U.S. has accelerated in the last year, since Bush proposed a temporary worker program that amounts to a limited amnesty program that would allow millions to remain in the U.S. legally.

In the coming 12 months, some 3 million more illegal aliens will enter the country – "enough to fill 22,000 Boeing 737-700 airliners, or 60 flights every day for a year." According to Time magazine, this year's influx of illegal aliens is the largest wave since 2001, and illegal immigration now represents triple the number of immigrants who enter the country legally.

While new security procedures guard our airports from illegal entry, thousands of aliens walk across or drive across the Mexican border with impunity every day.

The illegal immigrants include a growing number of people categorized as "other than Mexicans," including many from nations with populations hostile to the United States – Afghanistan, Egypt, Iran and Iraq.

Americans overwhelmingly want to crack down on illegal immigration, but the government elite don't seem to want to fix the problem. Even those caught violating the border multiple times are not punished, according to the report.

Besides the security nightmare this invasion creates, illegal immigration is driving up the cost of living for American citizens and making our communities less safe.

Why does this trend continue without any real national debate? Why are our laws ignored not only by the criminal invaders but by our elected officials? Why do both political parties pretend there is no problem?

The response from the American people should be this:

Let's try enforcing the old laws before we pass any new ones.

Let's try beefing up the Border Patrol.

Let's try pressuring the companies hiring these illegal aliens to hire legal Americans.

Let's try denying taxpayer-supported social services to lawbreakers.

Let's try deportations.

Let's try enforcing criminal laws against illegal aliens just as we prosecute American citizens.

Let's encourage states and local governments to cooperate with immigration to uproot the illegals – especially those who continue to break the law.

Let's try putting the National Guard at our borders.

Let's try bringing home more than 100,000 American troops currently guarding Germany from some unknown threat and place those troops where they can make a difference – protecting America from an ongoing invasion.

Maybe the president, living in his ivory tower, doesn't realize the effects this national plague is having on ordinary Americans. It's about time he heard from us.


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Comment #241 Removed by Moderator

To: RS
The cap on legal immigration is only one aspect of their report, they also recommended increasing skilled labor over unskilled, stopping illegal immigration cold, and strict enforcement of employer sanctions.

I'm in favor of all their recommendations, it keeps legal immigration somewhat generous, stops fraud and abuse that's rampant in the family chain provision, and puts legality back into the system.

Immigration policy as it stands today is out of control and Bush's guest worker proposal would make it a thousand times worse, not to mention potentially displace millions of Americans from their jobs as the H1-b program has done to tech workers.

242 posted on 11/17/2004 11:33:07 AM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Pa' fuera

"Explain by what means that would be accomplished and who is seriously proposing the implementation of those means, and you might get an answer."

So we should gently round them up and toss them out gradually so we can absorb the economic hit slowly ?
I thought their being here was a such a bad thing ?


BTW - I personally believe everyone caught here illegally should be deported immediately and large fines levied on those who hire them illegally. I believe we need a stronger Border Patrol and more enforcement.

I believe Bush's guest worker program is the way to fill the needs for workers that the American society will not.


243 posted on 11/17/2004 11:35:12 AM PST by RS (Just because they are out to get him doesn't mean he's not guilty)
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
You are 100% correct.

Even notice how the liberals and the illegal immigrant apologists are so damn quick to accuse us (immigration reformers) of being, natavists, xenophobes, racists, and anti-hispanic but they won't say a thing about Mexico's immigration policies?

Which side of the border gets stuck with the "xenophobic" label? Ours. Where as the country that truly does have the discriminatory policies gets a free pass.

If Pat Buchanan were to be made President even his policies on the whole would be more generous and less exclusionary than what the Mexicans currently have in their own country.

BTW: columnist Ruben Navarrete was damn near in tears over the passage of Arizona's Prop. 200. I was tempted to mail him a box of kleenex.

244 posted on 11/17/2004 11:37:01 AM PST by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: Reaganwuzthebest

"they also recommended increasing skilled labor over unskilled..."

I thought Americans were supposed to fill the skilled labor jobs ? Or maybe they propose just shutting down the farms ?


"...stopping illegal immigration cold,..."

Well duh, and just how is that supposed to happen ?

"... and strict enforcement of employer sanctions. "

Another Duh - why they have not been enforced for the last 50 years or so is beyond me...


245 posted on 11/17/2004 11:39:28 AM PST by RS (Just because they are out to get him doesn't mean he's not guilty)
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To: thangdatrang
"Your statement shows that you are in the 'la-la land' of presumed racism. I believe the intellectual and creative potential of America will be restored without billions of illegal Mexicans NOT because I believe Mexicans are stupid."

You have reading comprehension problems, don't you pal?

YOU insinuated that Americans would be smarter were it not for the presence of illegal aliens on our soil.

Not that your argument makes any sense, but that's your argument regardless.

"Conditions in the USA will improve, and the people will be happier."

Now you're saying that conditions in the nation suck, and that the people are less than happy.

You're just full of belief in America, aren't you?

246 posted on 11/17/2004 11:46:29 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Flame away, but Bush's plan is the only viable, workable alternative.

Not a flame, but this isn't correct. While we may agree that some sort of guest worker program is necessary, a program that can't pass is not viable. The Bush guest worker program can't pass, because it would legalize illegal aliens, and there is too much opposition in Congress for that to happen.

Now, you may disagree with that assessment, but even if you do, do you have any objection to also looking at a guest worker proposal like Tom Tancredo's, which would gather support that the President's proposal can't, as it seeks to address our labor needs without legalizing any illegal aliens?

247 posted on 11/17/2004 11:48:53 AM PST by Fatalis
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To: Cyropaedia
Which side of the border gets stuck with the "xenophobic" label? Ours. Where as the country that truly does have the discriminatory policies gets a free pass.

The open borders, illegal alien apologists don't even try to hide their hypocrisy anymore, Americans for a long time have been silenced by the cry of racism everytime those facts are pointed out to them so now this crowd has nothing to fear.

248 posted on 11/17/2004 11:49:44 AM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Cyropaedia

Farm mechanization?

Are you financing the new equipment for the farmers?

Or are you thinking of more entitlement programs to help the small farmers with the huge investment in equipment?

Quit giving me the end result as the plan, and get me from illegal aliens picking tomatoes for small farmers to mechanization...and detail HOW the farmers will afford the equipment.

P.S. Is the equipment invented yet?

You remind me a lot of John Kerry...I HAVE A PLAN!!

"What's the plan John?"

"Can't tell you now."


249 posted on 11/17/2004 11:52:11 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Montresor
Once we have some trust in the hispanic community we can start enforcing these laws.

Our laws are our laws, period. We do not need anyone's trust nor consent to enforce our laws. If a hispanic (or anyone) does not trust American law, then they should leave the US immediately. And given what I have seen, it is not a lack of trust in the Hispanic community that has brought about this invasion of illegal aliens. It is a lack of respect.

250 posted on 11/17/2004 11:53:09 AM PST by spodefly (I've posted nothing but BTTT over 1000 times!!!)
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To: RS
"...stopping illegal immigration cold,..."

Well duh, and just how is that supposed to happen?

One certain way to never stop it is throw your hands up in the air and say repeatedly it can't be done. This country was not founded on defeatism. That border can be closed with additional technology and manpower, just ask anyone who actually works in border patrol or ICE. They've posted that fact a thousand times on these threads.

251 posted on 11/17/2004 11:54:44 AM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Fatalis

I've looked at Tancredo's plan...it calls for illegal aliens to go home willingly so that they may apply for re-entry.

That's silly, the only determent that he's got is to boot them out of the country for not leaving willingly...which is the same exact risk they face if they do not leave at all!

Everyone is stuck on the notion that the everyone who is here illegally needs to be expatriated as a result of that fact, and that going home is the only acceptable punishment for people who entered the country illegally. That would take years and more effort that we're willing to invest as a nation.

Register them, fine them, and process the ones who are already here and be done with this idiotic argument.


252 posted on 11/17/2004 11:57:38 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: SaltyJoe
This is a grand opportunity to accept good workers and maybe wink at those who've hopped over, crawled under, or swam through to avoid a mountain of red tape.

Great. Let's ignore the law to convenience those who ignore the law.

253 posted on 11/17/2004 12:00:14 PM PST by spodefly (I've posted nothing but BTTT over 1000 times!!!)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
I know that's your postition, but let's take a reasonable hypothetical:

The President's immigration reform proposal stalls because of the clause that would legalize illegal aliens. However, his immigration proposal could pass if instead his guest worker program adopted Tancredo's approach.

Would you oppose such a compromise?

254 posted on 11/17/2004 12:04:19 PM PST by Fatalis
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To: Reaganwuzthebest

"That border can be closed with additional technology and manpower, just ask anyone who actually works in border patrol or ICE. They've posted that fact a thousand times on these threads."

Sure, just grab all the National Guard back from Iraq and station them on the border FOREVER - that will save our economy. Any estimate of the yearly cost of your plan ?

Sure it can be done, by converting US into a perpetual state of martial law with a Berlin wall on our south end, and that dosen't get us back to Qzzie and Harriet either...


"They've posted that fact a thousand times ..."

Oh, that settles it, it's been posted a thousand times by people claiming they know what they are talking about so it MUST be true.


255 posted on 11/17/2004 12:16:12 PM PST by RS (Just because they are out to get him doesn't mean he's not guilty)
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To: Fatalis

I oppose any plan which is unworkable, and Tancredo's plan is unworkable IMHO.

Let's quit getting stuck on the idea that they need to go home first, which they will not do, and instead, let's minimize the number of people we need to round up and deport.


256 posted on 11/17/2004 12:22:00 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
I oppose any plan which is unworkable, and Tancredo's plan is unworkable IMHO.

Let's quit getting stuck on the idea that they need to go home first, which they will not do, and instead, let's minimize the number of people we need to round up and deport.

Well, a plan that can't pass is certainly more unworkable than a plan that can. There is insufficient support for a guest worker plan that would legalize illegal aliens.

Would you prefer the status quo to an immigration reform compromise that incorporated Tancredo's guest worker program, if those were the only two options availble?

257 posted on 11/17/2004 12:27:29 PM PST by Fatalis
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To: RS
Oh, that settles it, it's been posted a thousand times by people claiming they know what they are talking about so it MUST be true.:

If you want to go on believing that a nation which sent men to the moon 35 years ago cannot control a border that's your prerogative, but what I suspect is you don't really want to see that happen, you prefer millions of people pouring in and enjoy making excuses for them.

258 posted on 11/17/2004 12:28:35 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Reaganwuzthebest

"but what I suspect is you don't really want to see that happen, you prefer millions of people pouring in and enjoy making excuses for them."

what you suspect or believe is allready pretty suspect - and I have NEVER made excuses for them, but I deal in reality.

But I have more faith in the US then you, we WILL solve the problem, just not in the isolationist fashion you suggest.


259 posted on 11/17/2004 12:34:58 PM PST by RS (Just because they are out to get him doesn't mean he's not guilty)
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To: RS
But I have more faith in the US then you, we WILL solve the problem, just not in the isolationist fashion you suggest.

Sure, wanting to stop illegal immigration is isolationist. Totally disregard all the other posts that make it perfectly clear the support that's there for maintaining a generous legal immigration system.

Your goal is open borders, most of us don't share that and legalizing illegals as a way of "solving the problem" does no such thing, as was proven in 1986 it makes things infinitely worse.

260 posted on 11/17/2004 12:41:46 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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