Blue states buzz over secession

Washington Times ^ | 11/09/04 | Joseph Curl

[kattracks]

Secession, which didn't work very well when it was tried once before, is suddenly red hot in the blue states. In certain precincts, anyway.
     One popular map circulating on the Internet shows the 19 blue states won by Sen. John Kerry — Washington, Oregon, California, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois, Maryland and the Northeastern states — conjoined with Canada to form the "United States of Canada." The 31 red states carried by Mr. Bush are depicted as a separate nation dubbed "Jesusland." The idea isn't just a joke; one top Democrat says, "The segment of the country that pays for the federal government is now being governed by the people who don't pay for the federal government."
     "Some would say, 'Oh, poor Alabama. It's cut off from the wealth infusion that it gets from New York and California,' " said Lawrence O'Donnell, a veteran Democratic insider and now senior political analyst at MSNBC. "But the more this political condition goes on at the presidential level of the red and blue states, the more you're testing the inclination of the blue states to say, 'So what?' "
     Mr. O'Donnell raised the subject of secession on "The McLaughlin Group" during the weekend. "Ninety percent of the red states are welfare-client states of the federal government," said Mr. O'Donnell, who was an aide to Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan.

[Tuxedo]

I've got an idea... let's send them all to Africa. There they can address the AIDS problem head-on, implement their own form of desired government with little opposition, have a vast amount of resources, all the animals they can love and live with "peaceably", plenty of land, nice and warm temperatures, lots of culture, plenty of scenery to shoot movies, and people (subjects) available for indentured servitude or perhaps just willing to listen to their theories on economics, peace, and goodwill to mankind. It would remind us somewhat of the ending to Rainbow Six.

[Clemenza]

Because the laws on the books make it difficult for landlords to go Condo. Same in NYC, although it is not as bad as in San Fran. What few properties that are available for sale are prohibitively expensive. I know a guy who bought a townhouse in Brooklyn for $800K and rented out the bottom floor to help cover the property taxes and mortgage-related expenses.

[capitan_refugio]

O'Donnell is an idiot and a liar. His comment, ""Ninety percent of the red states are welfare-client states of the federal government," is without a factual basis and is so loosely defined as to be ridiculous.

[ChicagoRighty]

Sorry if this thought is repetitive on this thread, but there is an extreme dichotomy in the Dims' argument, here. (It goes under the heading.. IMO ... of they "want it both ways.)

During the election campaign who (they) campaigned about "2 Americas"... the haves and the have nots? Who said that certain states lost jobs during this Administration? Who campaigned in those states on 'class warfare' issues?

The sKerry campaign made it clear that the rich needed to pay in more to cover the not-so-rich. Now, scary Larry O'D. is threatening to take those rich away from the 'not-so-rich'???

More Dim logic?

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

That is what I was thinking when I read the article. There really isn't blue states if you look at the counties. Blue counties, but not states??

[Bernard Marx]

I vote we cut them off from food and manufactured goods.

And the truckers alone could do that in 24 hours.

[Dan Evans]

If they truly wanted to secede, they wouldn't be talking about how succession would hurt the red states. All they are doing is fantasizing about inflicting retribution on us. We should call their bluff and suggest a constitutional amendment to allow states to secede.

[topsail]

Since this is about secession, here is another interesting opinion about the constitutionality of secession. Parting Company Is An Option -Walter Williams Cites earlier attempts to pass an ammendment to forbid secession.

[mrobison]

If I'm reading the 2004 Presidential Election returns right, the red states have at least 3 - 4 million people more than the blue states who are willing to pay with their blood to make sure that the boundaries of the United States remain unchanged.

However, if anyone wants to press the point, I'll meet them with my BB gun anywhere west of the Mississippi.

[Plutarch]

The blue states are nothing more than urban areas amidst red states. The State of San Francisco will just have to get by without their water obtained by damming up Hetchy Hetchy valley in Yosemite, and the valley can be restored. Maybe SF can tow down an iceberg or build a desalination plant on Treasure Island.

Hetchy Hetchy, water for SF enviromentalists.

Hetchy Hetchy, restored after SF secedes.

[UMFan]

Hmmmmmmmmm let's see .... 70%+ of the military supports Bush. The military bases are where? The guns are where? The bombs are where? The nukes are where?

Even Marion Berry at his most white nosed wouldn't take that kind of bet.

[Poohbah]

Me to blue states: "Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya!"

[mrbillxx]

Yes. ever since the interview with O'Neill, O'Donnell has totally lost whatever smart piece of sanity he had.

[capitan_refugio]

Unilateral secession is not a constitutional process. Texas v White confirms that point of view.

Professor Williams may be a fine economist, but he is not a very good historian. His article has been thoroughly debunked here at FR, and continues to be each time it rears its ugly head. Unilateral secession is not lawful.

On the other hand, if the people want to invoke their revolutionary rights to throw off an "oppressive" and "tyrannical" government, then they had better be prepared to fight for those rights, because those who support republican democracy and the rule of law are not going to be any more understanding than they were 143 years ago.

[Charles Martel]

Perpaps some talented Photoshop artist would like to update this one with the 2004 electoral map image:

[Hi Heels]

Not a word heard here in Ventura County. Sounds like spin to me.

[mewzilla]

How about we just make the blue cities their own states and let them fend for themselves as states. Most of the folks I know in Upstate NY would be willing to jettison NYC in a heartbeat. I'd even throw in Syracuse, Rochester, and Albany just for giggles.

[Blue Jays]

Hi All-

My leftwinger friends have illustrated to me that the "Blue" votes were concentrated around important national business centers (e.g. NYC, Boston, Newark, Chicago, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Atlanta, LA, San Francisco) with their associated smart talent.

They've also advised me that Senator Kerry won the "college-educated demographic" in the election.

I'm particularly angered by the suggestion that conservatives are somehow uneducated hayseeds. While I hope to one day live in a "Red" state, I need some facts to counterattack their absurd claims...

~ Blue Jays ~

[Zionist Conspirator]

"We were all going to move to various other countries, but then we thought — why should WE move?" the anonymous message asks. "We hold our noses as we fly over you. We are sickened by the way you treat people that are different from you. The rest of the world despises America, and we don't want to be lumped in with you anymore."

Hmmm. I wonder . . . am I the only person in the world who gets the irony of the "civilized" coasts wanting to alter the way of life of the "savages" in the Heaertland thinking that they are any different from the Custer they so despise??? Ah, the little suprises of being double-teamed by Charles Darwin and Hiawatha!

We are sickened by the way you treat people that are different from you.

I'm sure this idiot has never done that. But then, Anglo-Saxons aren't a legitimate ethno-culture--they're Mankind In Its Purest And Most Abstract Form and it's their job to act as the uncompensated "Levites" of the quaint and beautiful groups that make up humanity proper. (And btw, I'm sickened that these idiots treat one group of "Bible-bangers" like dirt and another like Che Guevara Gone Corporate.)

But Andy Nowicki, a libertarian blogger, said the blue states will never secede because "liberals don't want to leave their enemies alone. Instead, as their track record shows, they want to take over the government in order to force their enemies to endure perpetual sensitivity training for being such racist, sexist, homophobic, 'closed-minded' boors, i.e., for disagreeing with them."

Well, I'm no libertarian, but this guy's got it nailed. Liberals think rule by G-d is tyranny but rule by them is so reasonable that only a lunatic would object.

[Barnstormer]

Hold on a second, they can't have Southeast Florida! I have an idea, we'll deport all the Yankee condo 'Rats back where they came from and they can leave with their Blue County brethern?