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How to stop national ID card
WorldNetDaily ^ | 10-7-04 | Rick Warden

Posted on 10/07/2004 5:57:59 PM PDT by Warden

Stage Setting For The Mark Of The Beast Revelation 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. Beware of the New World Order of which you are in the midst!


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: beast; bible; christ; drivers; fear; fears; holy; id; jesus; licenses; lord; mark; national; nationalid; paul; privacy; privacylist; rep; ron
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To: Warden

you might be right---this could all be a set up.

Still, I have my worried about NOT sealing the borders and rounding up all the illegals and shipping them off to wherever they came from (can you imagine the chaos at the airports,bus terminals and Border crossings? LOL)

What are our other options?


21 posted on 10/07/2004 7:28:50 PM PDT by fastattacksailor (If you enjoy your freedom, thank a Veteran! (and kiss a Submariner!))
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To: azcap

Do you see how well conditioned you are. You are eagerly anticipating government protection. Problem is you are going to give up freedom/ liberty to get it. Maybe the existing government does not do anything with that potential control now. What about the government in ten years? What if the homosexual agendas continue to prevail and it becomes illegal for you to stop your 16 year old child from having sex with another male? You say far fetched??? It is illegal to speak out in against homosexuality in Canada right now, today. Homosexuals are lobbing frantically in every area of government at the school board, city, state and federal levels. It is a hate crime in California to deny them same sex partner benefits (Schwarzenegger signed into law a bill (SB 1159). http://www.californiahealthline.org/index.cfm?Action=dspItem&itemID=105950
You are living in Walt Disney’s fantasy world if you cannot see clear on this.
#1 Rule. Do not give up your God granted liberties.

The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either.
—Benjamin Franklin

Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.
— Benjamin Franklin

They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty or safety.
— Benjamin Franklin


22 posted on 10/07/2004 7:36:32 PM PDT by Warden (ProtestGayDay.com)
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To: Warden
So, you'd rather have the Mexicans keep overrunning the border, than having an "evil and Satanic" National ID Card.

Well, I'm from Colombia, and everyone upon their 18th birthday is expected (not required, though) to get a "Cédula de Ciudadanía" (Citizen's ID Card) for all identification purposes...

In the almost year and a half that went between my 18th birthday and my coming to the US, and the 2 weeks I spent on vacation there in January, I was never pulled away by guys in dark suits with sunglasses or had any rights inflicted.

Don't worry, my friend. You and me will live to see the day the Social Security card will become a photo ID. If it's gonna keep me safe (provided unreasonable intrusions can be fought), so be it.

23 posted on 10/07/2004 7:41:35 PM PDT by El Conservador ("No blood for oil!"... Then don't drive, you moron!!!)
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To: Warden

Hopefull the beast has more important things to worry about that a little card that could work wonders.


24 posted on 10/07/2004 7:41:56 PM PDT by tkathy (There will be no world peace until all thuggocracies are gone from the earth.)
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To: fastattacksailor

"I have my worried about NOT sealing the borders"
What are our other options?

You are exactly right. The USA should have sealed up the borders long ago. We should take all the money we put into our foreign investments and seal the borders. That can be done. I'm 100 percent for searching and scrutinizing every person coming into this country, even if returning as a USA citizen. Seal and protect our borders. The solution is that easy. All the identification needed to do that is in place already. Our government chooses not to seal the borders. Our government controls by fear and intimidation. Just like a racketeer. They are the bad guys and then they coheres us to pay with our liberty for their protection. Many shortsighted people though will appreciate the nice government protection.


25 posted on 10/07/2004 7:49:53 PM PDT by Warden (ProtestGayDay.com)
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To: Warden
Do you see how well conditioned you are. You are eagerly anticipating government protection. Problem is you are going to give up freedom/ liberty to get it.
 
One of us is certainly conditioned. I am not "eagerly seeking government protection." Only letting US citizens vote, limiting services to citizens, and keeping terrorists and illegals out of the USA is already the function of the government. Granted they do a poor job and that is mostly because they do not have the will to enforce immigration and voting laws but should they ever try to it cannot be done if you do not know who a person really is. I already live in a country where a policeman can ask me for ID or in some states a poll worker can ask me for ID. The only difference is that in both those cases now I can hand the government a piece of easily obtainable phony ID and there is no way for them to know I am lying. So it seems  that your Christian crusade is not to prevent the government  (controlled by Satan, the UN, the Illuminati, the FreeMasons, and the George Soros) from gaining some power to ask you for ID - because they already have that power but instead is a fight to protect a system that allows the easy ability to lie to the government and your fellow citizens. I assume as a Christian, a Freeper and an honest person that the name on your own ID  is really you. When an airport screener looks at your driver's license he knows your real name and where you are really from. Why is it righteous and good to fight for the ability of Mohammad Doe to pass that same screener fake ID to get on that same plane? Accurate ID is not evil. Deception is evil.

26 posted on 10/07/2004 8:13:15 PM PDT by azcap
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To: Warden

Most people will dismiss this as paranoia by right-wingers. It's a good thing that their opinion doesn't change God's timetable. He doesn't give a rip about opinions.

Learn what is coming, but listen to the Bible, not people. People will always disappoint.


27 posted on 10/07/2004 8:17:04 PM PDT by Righter-than-Rush
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To: El Conservador
If it's gonna keep me safe (provided unreasonable intrusions can be fought), so be it.

Hmmm...

Seems like I once heard something somebody said about "a little liberty for a little security"... or something.

But maybe I just imagined it...

28 posted on 10/07/2004 8:49:46 PM PDT by fire_eye (Socialism is the opiate of academia.)
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To: Gerasimov

Remember: Foreigners are like cue balls...the harder you hit them, the more English you get out of them.


29 posted on 10/07/2004 9:01:01 PM PDT by Former Dodger ((Go W GO! Finish off the US Rats, then the Muslim ones!))
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To: Sender
"A national ID card would be an annoyance, but it is hardly the mark of the beast. The mark of the beast must imply a transfer of loyalty to evil, a rejection of the good. It will not be a simple ID card."

Clearly, you are right. The idea seems to be associated with the "mystery of iniquity", which will be Satan's counterfeit of Christian's union with Christ. In some way we do not fully understand yet, anti-christ will be united with his followers.

Many think the Bible indicates that governments are evil. Quite contrarily, it clearly states that these powers are all ordained by God for good - to punish evil and praise good. That is not to say that evil people cannot rise to power, but the governmental authority comes from God.

If authorities command us to do evil, or to not do what God commands us to do, those authorities are usurping their jurisdiction.

There is no command that I find in scripture that would prevent me from having a driver's license, passport, voter's registration card, or a national ID if one were created.
30 posted on 10/07/2004 9:01:51 PM PDT by unlearner
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To: Warden

Proverbs 27:23 gives a principle to authorities, whether family, church or government. Those in authority need to be aware of those under their care.

I cannot see how a standardized ID is an abuse of God-ordained authority.

I can see how it could help those in authority do their job more effectively.


31 posted on 10/07/2004 9:12:34 PM PDT by unlearner
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To: unlearner

It is not the responsibility of God-ordained authority to require all their subjects to submit an ID card before they can engage in business and commercial transactions or deal with government agencies. I am not aware of any Scriptural warrant that justifies the civil authority to interfere with freedom of association and private property, which of course mandatory IDs represent. Rather, this represents a form of theft (alienation of property), which is forbidden by the Eighth Commandment. The civil magistrate is no more above the moral law than are his subjects.


32 posted on 10/07/2004 9:26:50 PM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: Gerasimov

Maybe requiring that ALL voters present some form of uniform valid official voter ID before voting in a Federal Election is a good idea. Have you heard of the voter fraud being attempted in Ohio? Not to mention elsewhere. Hell, I live in Summit County, heard what they tried there? I`d be nice to have off duty cops working the polls on election day as some kind of observers. At least there would be less of a credibility issue with them then some ordinary Joe Shmoe.


33 posted on 10/07/2004 9:51:09 PM PDT by nomad
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To: nomad

All that is required to deal with the immigrant problem, is to make the consequences of coming here illegally so severe that the word gets out in the rest of the world: Don't do it.

All that is required to stop vote fraud is to make the consequences of doing it so severe that... Etc...


The problem is, we're too squeamish to throw the miscreants in jail and leave them there. We're too squeamish to round up the Mexicans and put them in camps in the desert on a lizards-and-water diet until either somebody comes to claim them or they die of old age. We're too squeamish to lock up for 20 years some bright promising young Demonrat college stoont who just "Made A Mistake" and voted twice, and ruin his/her/its life permanently in order to set an example.

Everybody watches TV and gets all maudlin and sappy over the poor 14-year-old pregnant Mexican girl who "just came here for a better life", and over the college stoont's wailing and crying mommy who wants her baby back, and the result is that the Gummint wants all of us ordinary stiffs to carry ID.

Your papers, Tovarich!!!


34 posted on 10/07/2004 11:33:14 PM PDT by fire_eye (Socialism is the opiate of academia.)
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To: BIGZ
"Which is worse being overrun or controlled?"

I do not see as how we have such a clear choice. Part of the "control" is that we will be overrun anyway. Check out where you will see that our borders will soon be meaningless in terms of preventing mass migration which is bound to include some terrorists also entering our country.

Also, please check out the current issue of The New American . The cover story is entitled: "Surveillance State I.D. - Implantable VeriChip Launches in Mexico". About how the Mexican government is using and encouraging the VeriChip, not only as a deterrent to kidnapping, but also as a "security" measure to track people's access to high-security areas, for instance. When our country and Mexico are merged, (see FTAA) our own government will begin the process of adapting its use for our people as well.

Could this be the prophesied "mark in the hand"?

35 posted on 10/08/2004 6:41:00 AM PDT by Designer (Sysiphus Sr. to Junior; "It was uphill, all the way, both ways!")
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To: Warden

Paragraphs are our friend. Is your word wrap on?


36 posted on 10/08/2004 6:42:54 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Warden

Ho hum. More drivel. Just what the world needs.


37 posted on 10/08/2004 6:45:54 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Warden

Let me put it as simply as possible;



THERE IS NO WAY ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH, THAT I NOR MY FAMILY WILL ACCEPT & OR USE SUCH AN ITEM!!!

Nuff said


38 posted on 10/08/2004 6:46:34 AM PDT by TMSuchman (If we don't get out to vote, the anti-Americans will win, and we will loose everything!)
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To: fire_eye
. . . piss upon the virtue of justice and embrace the vice of injustice. Get used to it.
39 posted on 10/08/2004 6:48:06 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Pirate21
...and the Euro is a step towards universal currency...

Are you talking about The New World Order? Go aawwnnn! Get out! No way!!! You can't be series!

If you all have any spare time, go ahead and check out stoptheftaa.

Regional government is coming to our own hemisphere, too, but what the heck, there's nothing I can do about it.

40 posted on 10/08/2004 6:54:08 AM PDT by Designer (Sysiphus Sr. to Junior; "It was uphill, all the way, both ways!")
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