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KERRY DEBATE ACTIONS BEING SEVERELY MISIDENTIFIED, EVEN AT FOX; ACTION NEEDED
Various | October 4, 2004 | MississippiMan

Posted on 10/04/2004 12:03:24 PM PDT by MississippiMan

The issue of what Kerry brought with him to the podium is not a petty one. A candidate who had simply a list of talking points on paper would be at a huge advantage vs. the other participant who played by the rules.

Based on the most recent reports here, it sounds as if even Fox News is about to forget and drop the issue, since they've declared that they're 99% certain the object in question is a pen.

It's hard to fathom what's going on here, unless they're viewing an incomplete clip of what took place. For even the low-resolution copies of the event that are posted online make it blatantly clear that, yes, he had a PEN (OBJECT 1) in his RIGHT hand, but he also removed a LIGHT-COLORED RECTANGULAR OBJECT (OBJECT 2) from inside his jacket with his LEFT hand. He then handles the object in a fashion that suggests UNFOLDING, and places it on the deck of the podium.

As mentioned already, I am a digital forensics examiner. I have a state-of-the-art forensic video system. I have briefly examined the low-resolution clips of the event, and at first impression, OBJECT 2 appears to be a folded sheet or sheets of light-colored paper. It is DEFINITELY rectangular. It is DEFINITELY light-colored. And it is DEFINITELY distinct and separate from OBJECT 1.

I would very much like to examine a high-resolution version of the clip; ideally this will be an uncompressed digital video file digitized from a digital broadcast master. If anyone has any connections or access to one of the networks or C-SPAN or whatever, and can obtain said file, it would be immensely helpful.

This is about playing by the rules, folks. I for one am sick and tired of sitting back and watching the rules broken without consequence. It is high time to hold people accountable. That applies to the candidates and the media, whether the media member in question is CBS or Fox News Channel. If it's wrong, it's wrong. And if they're reporting that Kerry brought nothing but a pen to the podium, THEY'RE WRONG.

MM


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To: MississippiMan
Pen my a**

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161 posted on 10/04/2004 3:00:52 PM PDT by The Mayor (Scripture is meant to give us protection, correction, and direction.)
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To: Tarpon

I think I must be dreaming because I can't find the post I found this morning with a link to a series of pictures and they show W unfolding a piece of paper. I know it could be 'edited' but I can't find it. I've looked in my history and everything.


162 posted on 10/04/2004 3:01:09 PM PDT by tiki (Win one against the Flipper)
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To: Just mythoughts

Actually it appears that once Kerry reached the podium he actually had two pens. One the debate people put there for him and a white one he brought with him. There are photos which show he definately has something in his right hand as he comes around the podium as his left hand is reaching inside his jacket pocket. When his hand comes out of his jacket, it has something white and square or rectangular in shape, which he places down on the podium and appears to unfold of manipulate in some way.


163 posted on 10/04/2004 3:01:29 PM PDT by HannaUSA (One American that is dang sick of the lies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: HannaUSA
"When his hand comes out of his jacket, it has something white and square or rectangular in shape, which he places down on the podium and appears to unfold of manipulate in some way."


This fits with the enlarged photos I have looked at. So how can anybody at FOX claim a "black pen". I would like them to provide all footage taken by all cameras taking during the activity which shows JFKerry removing something from his pocket.
164 posted on 10/04/2004 3:05:04 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Lizarde

Well, we can try:))


165 posted on 10/04/2004 3:05:44 PM PDT by HannaUSA (One American that is dang sick of the lies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: The Mayor

left hand PDA .......or PAD of paper


right hand pen......

does the media want us to hole protests similar to the POST RE RE COUNT ones to get to the bottom of this?

I


166 posted on 10/04/2004 3:08:47 PM PDT by MESHUGAMIKEY (i had to get on my knees and I had to pray)
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To: HannaUSA

Hannity said they were going to play it on Hannity and Colmes tonight. Let's all take a look again. By the way Ann Coulter is supposed to be on tonight.


167 posted on 10/04/2004 3:09:04 PM PDT by Techster
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To: fraidycat
They only need to know that he brought SOMETHING, ANYTHING with him.

OK. Then what?

169 posted on 10/04/2004 3:17:29 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: Techster

hmmmmm Ann Coulter ... smart and sexy...


170 posted on 10/04/2004 3:17:32 PM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget
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To: Lizarde

I heard Rush and I agree from his prospective that we're not speaking about winning the debate. It is a matter of character. If you can't trust someone with little things, like debate rules, you can't trust them about anything.


171 posted on 10/04/2004 3:17:53 PM PDT by Techster
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To: meyer
SD 480i is Standard Definition 480 lines interlaced. High Definition is 1080 lines interlaced (1080i), or 720 lines progressive (720P). High Def is 16x9 widescreen aspect ratio, standard def 4x3. There are different frame rates. I've yet to see anybody post that the debate was shot in High Def.
172 posted on 10/04/2004 3:21:51 PM PDT by ironman
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To: ironman
Thanks, Ironman. I hope that they have something better than 480 line, interlaced or not. Isn't that the old US standard? Its been a very long time since I fiddled with televisions in any manner. I've since thrown out my spare vacuum tubes. :)

If this is as good an image as is available, then it will be awefully hard to press the issue very much. If that is the case, the best that can be done is to leave another seed of doubt in sKerry's character, and move on.

173 posted on 10/04/2004 3:26:51 PM PDT by meyer (Proud member of the Pajamarazzi!)
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To: Lizarde

bump


175 posted on 10/04/2004 3:30:32 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Lizarde

Mannnnnnnnnn......can you believe this???


176 posted on 10/04/2004 3:34:48 PM PDT by HannaUSA (One American that is dang sick of the lies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Lizarde

Wrong angle, wrong picture, who do these people think we are?


177 posted on 10/04/2004 3:35:02 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Just mythoughts

You really don't want an answer to that do you? :))) It would not be pretty:(((


178 posted on 10/04/2004 3:44:25 PM PDT by HannaUSA (One American that is dang sick of the lies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: EdReform; MississippiMan; Happy2BMe


179 posted on 10/04/2004 4:34:26 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: MomwithHope

Okay, as MomwithHope suggested, I've gone straight to the commission, since they almost certainly own the rights to the footage anyway. Faxed a written request to purchase broadcast quality copies of the footage for research purposes. Will advise of response.

MM


180 posted on 10/04/2004 4:49:01 PM PDT by MississippiMan (Americans should not be sacrificed on the altar of political correctness.)
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