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FR Live Thread: Bush Kerry - First Debate (Pre-Debate discussion)

Posted on 09/30/2004 3:50:58 PM PDT by Admin Moderator

Edited on 09/30/2004 6:27:02 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

There have been several "live threads" posted today regarding the debate starting early this morning. Let's make this the official thread.

FR Live Thread: Bush Kerry - First Debate - Thread 2 - Here we go!


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004; americangigolo; bushwon; cuticlesforkerry; debate; debates; electionpresident; fingernails; firstdebate; flushthejohn; jonsquerry; livethread; lurch; manicure; official; orangeman
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To: Jorge

And so you still did not answer on the substance of what Bush said. You seem so more swayed about the polls--what about the substance--where is your outrage about the global test? where is your outrage about Kerrys policies? If you love the president then talk about the importance of the substance--you are much smarter than that. Are we voting on a man who speaks more glib -- whose policies are wrong for the country?


2,901 posted on 09/30/2004 9:47:03 PM PDT by olliemb
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To: Howlin; MeekOneGOP; devolve; PhilDragoo; potlatch
100% Accurate (as you linked to):

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CNN/GALLUP POLL: Bush Lost Debate; Retains Double Digit Lead Over Kerry on Iraq, Terrorism
USA Today | Sept. 30, 2004 | USA Today/CNN/Gallup

Posted on 09/30/2004 9:32:20 PM PDT by West Coast Conservative

2. Regardless of which candidate you happen to support, who do you think did the better job in the debate: John Kerry or George W. Bush?

Kerry 53%, Bush 37%

5. Next, regardless of which presidential candidate you support, please tell me if you think John Kerry or George W. Bush would better handle the situation in Iraq.

Bush 54%, Kerry 43% (Pre-debate: Bush 54%, Kerry 40%)

2,902 posted on 09/30/2004 9:47:57 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (Just 33 more days until November 2nd.)
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To: BigKahuna
Bush only needs to not lose badly to basically win it.

If this was the only debate. Bush needs to take the lead in the next debate. He can't listen to Kerry's lies. He needs to point out that Kerry is a liar (tactfully) on whotever the issue is and then take the lead with his response. kerry just spewed too much misinformation and lies for Bush to debate them.

2,903 posted on 09/30/2004 9:48:14 PM PDT by Nov3 (They knifed babies, They raped girls, They forced children to drink their own urine)
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To: GailA

Thanks Gail for the lead to Hugh Hewitt. What an excellent and positive analysis! I think I'll go to bed now, on an 'up' note.


2,904 posted on 09/30/2004 9:48:20 PM PDT by Jerez2
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To: Lexinom
"I have never changed my core values." - Kerry

I almost choked on that one!

2,905 posted on 09/30/2004 9:49:56 PM PDT by Nov3 (They knifed babies, They raped girls, They forced children to drink their own urine)
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To: Alamo-Girl; betty boop

Excellent point about flip-flopping on the multi-lateral issue.


2,906 posted on 09/30/2004 9:50:58 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army and Proudly Supporting BUSH/CHENEY 2004!)
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To: Jorge

Bush reminded you of Carter in 1980? Ludicrous. I suppose Kerry reminded you of Reagan, too.


2,907 posted on 09/30/2004 9:52:55 PM PDT by Wallaby
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To: Jorge
Dang Jorge, slow down, take a deep breath. It's not that Kerry won, he just didn't lose big. It's not that President Bush lost, but he didn't' win big. We're even. No harm, no foul.

Do you really make decisions on just this? If so, how sad.
2,908 posted on 09/30/2004 9:53:14 PM PDT by jennyjenny
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To: Nov3
kerry just spewed too much misinformation and lies for Bush to debate them.

It was absolutely dazzling, wasn't it? Many creatures in the animal kingdom employ a bright display of color when threatened, confusing and dazing the enemy. A lizard makes its throat large and pink, etc.

2,909 posted on 09/30/2004 9:53:23 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: Nov3

How about this risible line?

Kerry: I have never wavered!


2,910 posted on 09/30/2004 9:54:28 PM PDT by Wallaby
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To: Wallaby; Lexinom
Kerry: I have never wavered!

The breadth of his lies was stunning. I was downcast after the debate but I was talking to one of my friends about it and he asked me " tell me one plan Kerry has" . I couldn't answer. He had blinded me with his vast number of lies and he had no plan. Bush needs to ignore what Kerry says, attack his record and then say what he (Bush) is going to do.

2,911 posted on 09/30/2004 10:00:58 PM PDT by Nov3 (They knifed babies, They raped girls, They forced children to drink their own urine)
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To: Jorge

So, Jorge you are disgusted. What are you going to do about it? Are you saying this debate made you decide President Bush is not the right person to lead this countrAre you a Kerry supporter now? Do you have some other candidate to vote for. Are you just not going to vote. What's your deal?


2,912 posted on 09/30/2004 10:02:21 PM PDT by jennyjenny
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To: Roselani

I know he mentioned it. Did you think I said he didn't?

LOL


2,913 posted on 09/30/2004 10:06:23 PM PDT by cyncooper (Have I mentioned lately that I despise the media?)
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To: Nov3; Wallaby
I'm going to go out on a limb and predict Bush will win the debate on domestic issues.

Kerry must explain how raising taxes helps the economy.

Kerry must explain how the government can provide better healthcare while a) lowering wages within the healthcare sector and b) creating yet another bloated federal beaurocracy.

Kerry must explain his Second Ammendment flip-flops.

Kerry must explain how abortion-on-demand for any reason through all nine months is "moderate" and how Bush's view is "extreme".

Kerry must explain the above in light of his position on how we should treat terrorists.

Kerry must explain how all stem-cell research must be of the kind that ends developing life, though it has shown relatively little promise compared to its non-destructive counterparts (cord and adult).

2,914 posted on 09/30/2004 10:07:26 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: Happy2BMe

Yes, even CNN said that in spite of Kerry doing so well, the President is still considered more strong and steadfast in his resolve. Kerry tried to make light of that resolve!


2,915 posted on 09/30/2004 10:08:33 PM PDT by potlatch (Sometimes I think I understand everything, then I regain consciousness.)
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To: potlatch

Still 2 more debates to go. I hope President Bush is more rested and relaxed than he was in this one.


2,916 posted on 09/30/2004 10:11:00 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (Just 33 more days until November 2nd.)
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To: MeekOneGOP

LOL, Meek, are you 'flip flopping'??


2,917 posted on 09/30/2004 10:11:37 PM PDT by potlatch (Sometimes I think I understand everything, then I regain consciousness.)
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To: betty boop

Great Post


2,918 posted on 09/30/2004 10:14:25 PM PDT by rotundusmaximus (")
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To: Happy2BMe

Me too. I think we feel a little 'down'. Kerry can stand up and look good lying. I imagine it fools a lot of people!


2,919 posted on 09/30/2004 10:19:27 PM PDT by potlatch (Sometimes I think I understand everything, then I regain consciousness.)
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To: Kitten1
Watching Kerry reminded me of my dad's phrasing for blowhards: "If you can't razzle 'em with facts, dazzle 'em with b-------."

I didn't get to watch the debate --- but it sounds like Kerry might have been more smooth and suave about saying he'll do nothing much about terrorism, and that he'll turn over our sovreignty to the UN. I don't care how slick someone is about things they are dead wrong on. Televised debates are great with someone like Reagan who wasn't nervous with a camera ---- but if I put myself in the place of someone up there on that stage --- if they're shy at all -- or not big on seeking a lot of attention --- they aren't going to do as well as someone who likes the cameras.

2,920 posted on 09/30/2004 10:23:42 PM PDT by FITZ
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