New Questions On Bush Guard Duty [CBS USES FORGERIES TO SMEAR THE PRESIDENT!!!!!]

CBS ^ | 9/10/04 | Staff

[TastyManatees]

New Questions On Bush Guard Duty

CBS) The military records of the two men running for president have become part of the political arsenal in this campaign – a tool for building up, or blowing up, each candidate’s credibility as America's next commander-in-chief.

While Sen. Kerry has been targeted for what he did in Vietnam, President Bush has been criticized for avoiding Vietnam by landing a spot in the Texas Air National Guard - and then failing to meet some of his obligations.

Did then-Lt. Bush fulfill all of his military obligations? And just how did he land that spot in the National Guard in the first place? Correspondent Dan Rather has new information on the president’s military service – and the first-ever interview with the man who says he pulled strings to get young George W. Bush into the Texas Air National Guard.

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But 60 Minutes has obtained a number of documents we are told were taken from Col. Killian's personal file. Among them, a never-before-seen memorandum from May 1972, where Killian writes that Lt. Bush called him to talk about "how he can get out of coming to drill from now through November."

Lt. Bush tells his commander "he is working on a campaign in Alabama…. and may not have time to take his physical." Killian adds that he thinks Lt. Bush has gone over his head, and is "talking to someone upstairs."

Col. Killian died in 1984. 60 Minutes consulted a handwriting analyst and document expert who believes the material is authentic.

[Dog]

See 159

[concerned about politics]

Not to burst your bubble but these documents were released by the Pentagon. Is the Pentagon in on this conspiracy?

Are you sure this one was? Why doesn't it match the others? It's new type, and has an obviously forged signature, like Kerry's silver star citation(s).

[Landru]

"They are more than happy to spin the tone of the memos, but are no longer willing to pursue the Sandy Berger PantsGate story."

Or even delve a *little* bit into the SBVets, other than to smear their personal lives with the insinuation being, of course, "Are we to believe this guy when he ( fill in the blank )?".

"What the hell is wrong with the media in this country?"

Gee fellas, any thoughts on [that] question? {g}

"It is very frightening how little they care about truth these days."

Yes indeed, but their motive(s) for such behavior?

...must be even more frightening.

[TomGuy]

I don't believe this was ran through a copier 15 times because in the first document you can see right through the black-out.

In the early 1980s I worked for a govt. contractor. At that time, IIRC, all documents had to 'survive' copying to the 6th generation, per govt regulation of the time. Thereafter, it became unreadable.

I remember we had to run a copy, then a copy of that copy, etc., to the 6th generation to verify the 6th copy readable.

Copy machines may be much better today, but 30 years ago, they were not.

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Boxer is on FoxNews -- Kerry went to Vietnam. Kerry voluteered to go to Vietnam, yada yada yada. The libDems are still quagmired in Vietnam!!!! Geezzzz

[shezza]

11th (th miniaturized) -- excellent observation. By the way, these IBM Selectrics may have started appearing by then in well-heeled offices, but the ANG is never well-heeled. The National Guard even today gets the Army's castoffs, from exceedingly old desks to decrepit filing cabinets to ancient typewriters. No way, NO WAY, would they have had a technological marvel, expensive new typewriter in their office. More likely was a 1940s hand-me-down. The suggestion that their office would have had a new IBM floating ball typewriter is absolutely ludicrous. (And of course, it wouldn't have created the diminutive th in 11th, anyway.)

[Dog]

See 158 and spread the word..

[mingusthecat]

Deserves its own thread. I'll go out on a limb and try to post.......
Meow, by the way. Pretty good for a dog.

[Dog]

Tom see post 158...

[Dog]

Ping me to it...

[cyncooper]

I am not in the "they are forgeries" camp as the memos support, not contradict, what GWB has said all along. It seems to me if someone was going to concoct documents to indict Dubya they'd take the trouble to make the memos damaging.

I'll keep an eye on it, but I think this is the wrong road to go down.

JMHO

[MistyCA]

How about I ping half the world to this important development.

[HenryLeeII]

Among them, a never-before-seen memorandum from May 1972, where Killian writes that Lt. Bush called him to talk about "how he can get out of coming to drill from now through November."

Lt. Bush tells his commander "he is working on a campaign in Alabama…. and may not have time to take his physical." Killian adds that he thinks Lt. Bush has gone over his head, and is "talking to someone upstairs."

Lt. Bush garnered many times the number of points he needed to each year while in the Air National Guard; in fact, in one year alone he had nearly 350 while only needing 50! The Air Force and ANG were asking pilots to resign their commissions because of the glut of pilots resulting from the draw down of forces in Vietnam. Lt. Bush had a six-year committment, served over-and-above for more than five years, asked to leave a little early which was in no way unusual at that time, and was granted an honorable discharge. Case closed.

Anyone interested in this issue needs to read Byron York's two columns on it: "Bush's National Guard Service" (09/09/2004) and "The Facts about Bush and the National Guard" (08/26/2004). They should both be in the archives here, but if you can't find them online, Freepmail me and I'll pass them on.

[Howlin]

Dan Rather was on ALL the morning shows with this story?

[MeekOneGOP]

Ping for CBS fraud on behalf of Kerry.

I am shocked !!! [NOT!]

[Dog Gone]

This is going to blow up bigtime. No way this can be suppressed.

[cyncooper]

There is a thread on this topic, BTW:

Are the Killian Memos Fakes?

(Again, I don't think they're fake)

[citizen]

Can you post one of the fakes to compare with this one?

[Dog]

Cyn....Microsoft Word drops the th into lower case.....no typewriter in the 70's did that....its as plain as day..

Please keep an open mind..

[TomGuy]

Also, in the 1970 era, there were not many typewriter manufacturers.

Royal and IBM were to the two big names.
Smith Corona
Remington

[mingusthecat]

Yeah, but the update needs its own thread.