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Kerry - Pardoned by Carter in 1977? - Research<p>
Various | 9/5/04 | Tacis

Posted on 09/05/2004 7:29:43 AM PDT by Tacis

The record is puzzling. Why would Kerry claim hero status and then refuse to allow us to see his record and allow every reader to confirm his claims? Why, even in war time, does Kerry’ service in the USNR appear to stretch from 1966 to 1978, 12 years? How does one explain the strange irregularities (multiple citations for his Silver Star) and inconsistencies in the Kerry military records that are available? Why does the 6 year (plus six month?) USNR obligation begun by Kerry in 2/66 appear to end in 1/70 again, in time of war, even though available records seem to indicate that the terminal date of his reserve obligation was 17 Feb 1972? Why are the documents that should be available, not there? The answers to all these question may be linked and surprisingly obvious. My thesis would be very easy to disprove (if it is false) by simply releasing Kerry’s entire military record.

Even if you include a lot of puffery and self-promotion, Kerry’s in-country record in late 1968 and early 1969 was exceptional and one to be admired and honored. But, for reasons we do not yet understand, in roughly late 1969, Kerry turned bad.

In late 1969, Kerry asked for an early release from “active duty”even though he had re-upped to serve on active duty until August, 1970. He said he wished to enter the democrat party primary, held in September, 1970 in Massachusetts, to be a candidate for Congress for the Third District. He was detached from active duty effective 4:00 PM, 2 January 1970 and specifically reminded the he assumed “... The status of a member of the Naval Reserve on inactive duty.”

The paper trail of available Navy records disappears for almost 8 years. In March, 1970, Kerry drops out of the Congressional primary in favor of the notorious Father Drinan, Dean of Boston College Law School (where Kerry later attended law school, 1973-1976). From early, 1970 through the Summer of 1973, Kerry takes part in activities involving war protests, meeting in Paris with Viet Cong representatives and the leadership of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War. These activities, some of which may have been legal, were of very questionable patriotism for an honest citizen of the US but certainly inappropriate for a US Naval officer.

That’s pretty much fact. Now, the thesis that explains the rest of the mysteries. I believe that Kerry was court martialed in the early 70s or otherwise terminated from the USNR under conditions other than honorable. Whatever actually happened represented a stain on Kerry’s record that might not have been taken lightly even by voters in Massachusetts.

Then, on January 21,1977, Democrat President Jimmy Carter (POTUS - January 20,1977 - January 20,1981) gave a blanket pardon, in Proclamation 4483, to certain offenders as follows:

“Acting pursuant to the grant of authority in Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution of the United States, I, Jimmy Carter, President of the United States, do hereby grant a full, complete and unconditional pardon to: (1) all persons who may have committed any offense between August 4, 1964 and March 28, 1973 in violation of the Military Selective Service Act or any rule or regulation promulgated thereunder; and (2) all persons heretofore convicted, irrespective of the date of conviction, of any offense committed between August 4, 1964 and March 28, 1973 in violation of the Military Selective Service Act, or any rule or regulation promulgated thereunder, restoring to them full political, civil and other rights.”

Thus, if my thesis is correct, Kerry’s offense must have occurred between 2 January 1970 and March 28, 1973. My thesis suggests that during 1977, Kerry made application for full pardon under the administrative procedures promulgated by the Office of the Pardon Attorney, Department of Justice. He almost certainly sought and received the support of Massachusetts Senator Kennedy who had much clout in the Carter administration. Kennedy may have been responsible for suggesting that the records of such a fine young man be embellished by Citations from the Secretary of the Navy, rather than a mere admiral, and in other details not yet known.

In my hypothesis, Kerry’s request for full pardon was granted. Kerry applied for his military records to be corrected accordingly, and applied for an honorable discharge. The Secretary of the Navy wrote to Kerry on Feb 16 1978, enclosing an Honorable Discharge Certificate and stating:

“This action is taken in accordance with the approved recommendations of a board of officers convened ... to examine the official records of officers of the Naval Reserve on inactive duty and determine whether they should be retained on the rolls of the Reserve Component or separated from the naval service pursuant to Secretarial instructions promulgated in reference [c].”

The reference, “[c],”is to “BUPERSMAN 3830300.” A Google search did not provide any information regarding the text of this provision. But, this might explain why he was discharged 12 long years after enlistment.

This hypothesis explains the inconsistencies in Kerry’s record and makes it clear why he acts like a three card Monte dealer in insisting that we watch his time in Nam very carefully and not pay attention to what happened afterward. It is exactly the position Benedict Arnold took with respect to what happened at West Point and afterward.

Proofs? Well, no. Certainly, the official USNR file on Kerry would quickly prove or disprove my thesis. Kerry refuses to sign a Standard Form 180 authorizing the Navy to release it, suggesting that Kerry has much more to lose by showing his records than by continuing to conceal material information. Kennedy? Not likely that his office would say anything that might negatively effect Kerry even though it might be in the nation’s best interest. It is, after all, Kennedy. The US Navy? It is unlikely that the Navy would, of its own volition, risk alienating a sitting US Senator and a man who might be the next CinC. Kerry’s first wife, Julia Thorne, who went to Paris with Kerry when he met with the Viet Cong, and her brother, David H. Thorne, certainly might be able to add facts but, would the old timey, ultra-left wing, liberal media even ask them?

But, there is a another possibility. Many aspects of the Presidential Pardon/Clemency process are matters of public record, in the Department of Justice. If Jimmy Carter pardoned Kerry, there should be a public record that Kerry shouldn’t be able to conceal. An applicant appears to be told in the application process:

  "A record of each Certificate of Pardon will be maintained in the Office of the Pardon Attorney as an official record, together with your application form and any other documents compiled in the course of processing your request. The Pardon Attorney may disclose the contents of such files to anyone when the disclosure is required by law or the ends of justice. In particular, public record documents that may be compiled in the course of processing an application, such as the judgment order from the criminal case for which pardon is sought, trial or sentencing transcripts, court opinions, and newspaper articles, are generally made available upon request by third-parties (including representatives of the news media) pursuant to the Freedom of Information Act, unless such disclosure could reasonably be expected to constitute an unwarranted invasion of the petitioner's personal privacy. In addition, unsolicited Congressional correspondence is treated in the same manner. On the other hand, non-public documents that may be compiled in the course of processing an application, such as the application form itself, are not generally available under the Freedom of Information Act."

The DoJ procedures indicate:

"Publicly available information for which a FOIA request is not required:

Publicly available information: Executive clemency statistics from the administration of President McKinley to the present; rules governing the pardon attorney and petitions for executive clemency published at 28 C.F.R. §§ 0.35-36 and § 1.1 et seq.; forms for applying for executive clemency; publication: Civil Disabilities of Convicted Felons: A State-by-State Survey (October 1996); copies of clemency warrants and proclamations for persons who have been granted executive clemency; description of clemency procedures contained in United States Attorney's Manual at § 1-2.110 et seq.; whether an individual has applied for executive clemency and action on such application."

Thus, I would urge any individual or member of the media with an interest in learning the truth about Kerry’s total military record to contact/visit the Office of the Pardon Attorney, Department of Justice and inquire whether there are any records for John Forbes Kerry. Check variations of Kerry’s name (intentional misfiling?), things like “John Kerry Forbes.” Kerry’s Social Security Number appears to be shown, unredacted, on a 17 Dec 1970 document in his file but his Military ID number is not known. Finally, don’t limit inquiries to actions under Proclamation 4483, President Carter may have taken some clemency action because key party members may have required him to. Finally, From a reading of the above, it appears that certain information should be available on a “walk in” basis and other information must be requested via FOIA application.

"The offices of record are :

FOIA Contact:

Samuel T. Morison, Attorney Advisor Office of the Pardon Attorney 4th Floor, 500 First Street, N.W. Department of Justice Washington, DC 20530-0001 (202) 616-6070

Conventional Reading Room:

United States Department of Justice Office of the Pardon Attorney 4th Floor, 500 First Street, N.W. Washington, D.C. 20530"

Several observations: It is indeed unfortunate that a man who would be President, so distrusts the American public and his own background that he hides material information in his military records in the hope of hornswoggling the electorate, of tricking us into believing he is one thing when, in fact, he may be another. Second, the above process should have long ago been followed by the media. It is also unfortunate that most of the traditional media are far too interested in electing Kerry to bother with doing any fact finding or reporting of information that might dissuade the electorate or present the truth.

Proof? Again, no, no proof, but as long as Kerry in his arrogance, refuses to trust Americans, we have the right to make assumptions about his dishonesty, mendacity and refusal to be candid and to assume that he uses similar duplicity with respect to other matters, as well. The above represents my current best guess about why Kerry is being dishonest and what he is hiding.


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: carter; clemency; courtmartial; kerry; pardon; usnavy
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To: Tacis

Great post!!!


41 posted on 09/05/2004 8:14:37 AM PDT by moonman
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To: Jeff Head

Thanks. kerry is hiding something when he refuses to sign a release form for all his documents though. Never having been in the military I will have to trust those who have and know far more then me to sort this out. Doesn't change my vote either way, mine was promised to Bush long ago.


42 posted on 09/05/2004 8:15:40 AM PDT by tioga (GOP, the Grand Old Party. God Bless George W. Bush. Four More Years!)
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To: Tacis

He was just waiting for a democrat to pardon his war crimes.


43 posted on 09/05/2004 8:15:49 AM PDT by television is just wrong
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To: tiki

If he admits to being an informer, the anti-war crowd will turn on him. He can't afford to do that. Personally, I don't think he was an informer -- that would have required intelligence on his part.


44 posted on 09/05/2004 8:17:20 AM PDT by TommyDale
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To: Tacis

It was thirteen (13) months for Marines!


45 posted on 09/05/2004 8:17:31 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Tacis

You are on to something


46 posted on 09/05/2004 8:17:39 AM PDT by pushforbush
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To: tiki

No, he wound need to correct the record and the left would dump him.

I don't think him being an informant is the case however.


47 posted on 09/05/2004 8:21:13 AM PDT by stockpirate (Dick Morris; Before he spoke, supporting Bush was a duty one owed to the fallen. Now, it is an honor)
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To: Tacis
if you have the text of ?BUPERSMAN 3830300,?

It's the Naval Bureau of Personnel Manual, probably 3830.300.

I'm still searching for the directive, its a bit elusive.

48 posted on 09/05/2004 8:21:28 AM PDT by angkor
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To: tioga
There are plenty of vets posting on this thread, on FR in general and all over the web about Kerry.

The swift boat vets are for real and they don't care and will not be deterred by what either political party has to say about their efforts. This is about things much more important than politics.

I believe Kerry's complete military records would reveal just how badly he pushed for his own medals and embelished things (lied) to get them. It would also reveal that he was still a naval officer when he colluded with the anti-war people and our enemies in Paris...a very BIG no-no, but thst just my opinion.

Either way, he's toast and should have been burnt badly long ago IMHO.

49 posted on 09/05/2004 8:24:25 AM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: Inge C

If ugly doesn't begin to describe what Kerry's sealed military records are hiding, and if the Naval investigation leaks at all...which it will, of course...Kerry will resign from the ticket. Perhaps RAT honchos are already demanding answers from Kerry in private on this subject. If so, no wonder TerAysa was hauled off by ambulance to the nearest hospital the other day. She's in total meltdown at the thought of what she married, (the humiliation of it all!), and Kerry is busy blaming his staff! Nothing can save him.

If events play out as common sense dictates, then Kerry will lose his meal ticket, too. TerAYsa will walk.


50 posted on 09/05/2004 8:24:48 AM PDT by hershey
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To: 300winmag; hershey
Based only on what's seen here, it looks like he signed up for another six years.

Signing up for an additional six years makes absolutely no sense.

Kerry was a very public figure attacking the active military.

Why would he sign up for an additional six years?

Could you even sign up for an addiitonal six years?

I've never seen his DD214 from 1978. Kerry's web site only has letter from the SecNav, not the official discharge.
51 posted on 09/05/2004 8:27:42 AM PDT by Mike Fieschko
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To: Tacis
This makes no sense. I think you should drop it. The Selecyive Service Act had nothing to do with Vietnam dirctly. It only related to the operation of the draft, not the war.

There is much confusion about the terms "active Reserve" and "inactive Reserve." People in the reserve who go to monthly meetings and summser camp are in the "active Reserve (not to be confused with "activated" Reserve--- those called up to active duty.).

"inactive" means just that, you don't have to do anything at all, just keep your address up to date. You are free to pursue whatever political activities you wish.

52 posted on 09/05/2004 8:28:15 AM PDT by cookcounty (Watch the self-immolation of John Zippo Kerry live on national TV!!!!)
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To: Tacis; Alamo-Girl; Coleus; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; Old Sarge; LiteKeeper

WOW!

Interesting!


53 posted on 09/05/2004 8:29:30 AM PDT by Calpernia ("People never like what they don't understand")
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To: Tacis

Raising a Spocklike eyebrow, interesting. Bump for later reading and analysis.


54 posted on 09/05/2004 8:30:24 AM PDT by Nowhere Man ("Laws are the spider webs through which the big bugs fly past and the little ones get caught.")
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To: Tacis

A Google on just BUPERSMAN returns 54 replies, many that seem to be subsets of 300 (320, 340) perhaps you could piece these together.


55 posted on 09/05/2004 8:32:19 AM PDT by Ed_in_NJ
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To: Mike Fieschko

>>>Why the additional six years?

That was his Christmas vacation in Cambodia ;)


56 posted on 09/05/2004 8:33:07 AM PDT by Calpernia ("People never like what they don't understand")
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To: stockpirate

>>>Not to rain on your parade but I think the pardons granted by Carter were for draft dodgers.

Would it have covered AWOL?


57 posted on 09/05/2004 8:34:58 AM PDT by Calpernia ("People never like what they don't understand")
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To: Ed_in_NJ

BUPERSMAN = Naval Bureau of Personnel Manual


58 posted on 09/05/2004 8:38:57 AM PDT by angkor
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To: Tacis

awesome job Tacis!!!! YOU DA MAN!!!


59 posted on 09/05/2004 8:39:45 AM PDT by Artemis Webb
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To: Calpernia
Would it have covered AWOL?

No. Going AWOL isn't a violation of the Selective Service Act (the draft).
60 posted on 09/05/2004 8:43:31 AM PDT by Mike Fieschko
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