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Kerry - Pardoned by Carter in 1977? - Research<p>
Various | 9/5/04 | Tacis

Posted on 09/05/2004 7:29:43 AM PDT by Tacis

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21 posted on 09/05/2004 7:53:10 AM PDT by aposiopetic
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To: sirchtruth
because from what I read the Pentagon is going to investigate.

When?
22 posted on 09/05/2004 7:53:25 AM PDT by Delphinium
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To: Viet-Boat-Rider

You are right about kerry.

Thank you for serving your country in Vietnam. You were then and are now one of my heroes. Not all of America felt that way then or do now; I am one of them.


23 posted on 09/05/2004 7:56:11 AM PDT by tioga (GOP, the Grand Old Party. God Bless George W. Bush. Four More Years!)
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To: Delphinium
Pentagon to check Kerry war record.
24 posted on 09/05/2004 7:56:54 AM PDT by Mike Fieschko (Oh, and Dick Cheney too.)
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To: ncpatriot

> I've heard Kerry say he served TWO tours of duty.

That can only be literally true if Kerry was a tourist.
He put in only one full "tour", and that was not "in"
Vietnam.

A short tour was one full year. He only served for
4 months in Vietnam on PCFs.

His time on the USS Gridley might have been a full
year, but it was only ever briefly off the coast of VN.

Now if Kerry is refering to his service to North Vietnam,
then yes, he probably gave them a full year of anti-war
service.
___________
"Tour of Duty"
The fictions begin with the title.


25 posted on 09/05/2004 7:58:03 AM PDT by Boundless
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To: Mike Fieschko; Tacis; ncpatriot
Did reserve status gain JF'K any pay? Medical benefits? College help? Cheap PX purchases like cigs or medicine?

Why wait as an inactive officer, if he would have had to re-up in '72 for 6 more years to a Navy he loathed?

Kerry's family had money back then but wasn't super-wealthy, IIRC.

It is also common for lefties to receive financial assistance from the very government that they want to topple, and from the very adults that they see as "the source of all problems".

Witness the DU'ers in NYC last week. They need more welfare benefits since the price of dope is higher in NYC.
26 posted on 09/05/2004 7:58:26 AM PDT by texas booster (Make a resolution to better yourself and your community in '04 - vote Republican!)
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To: ncpatriot
This is sKerry BS nuance. The USS Gridley was briefly off the coast of VN. So using sKerry's twisted nuance, USS Gridley's brief encounter with VN is "tour 1" and his time with swifties is "tour 2."

However, using this twisted logic, anyone who went on a SpecOp or served any temporary duty in VN could claim they served more than one tour in VN. Heck, if sKerry twists this enough, since he was assigned to 3 different swift boats, he can also claim that he served 4 tours in VN!

27 posted on 09/05/2004 7:59:49 AM PDT by Conservative Infidel
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To: texas booster
Did reserve status gain JF'K any pay? Medical benefits? College help? Cheap PX purchases like cigs or medicine?

I don't know. Other freepers, who are ex-military, could probably give an answer.
28 posted on 09/05/2004 8:01:05 AM PDT by Mike Fieschko (Oh, and Dick Cheney too.)
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To: Piquaboy

Wouldn't it be interesting if PEANUT was involved in this mess.


29 posted on 09/05/2004 8:02:50 AM PDT by pointsal
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To: Mike Fieschko

hubby was vet from that war. Got three years of stipend for education on GI bill,,,suspect Kerry got the same for law school.


30 posted on 09/05/2004 8:03:06 AM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: tioga

Regarding Kerry's "two" tours. The first was on the USS Gridley, of which only five weeks was spent anywhere near Vietnam, on aircraft gaurd duty. The remainder was spent off the west coast of the US and in a transit from there to Australia and back.

His second tour, on the Swifts, was four months, of which the first full month was spent at Cam Ranh Bay, in the safety and comfort of a former French resort while he went through training.

As to his "volunteering" for combat, that's a distortion as well. He first applied for a student deferrment to study in, of all places, Paris. He was refused. So, he volunteered for the Navy, with less prospects for combat duty in-country. After his year on the Gridley, he volunteered for the swift boats. However, at that time, the Swifts were coastal patrol craft that hardly ever saw combat. Right after he joined, they were ordered into the rivers, the dangerous duty with which they made their mark on naval history. Kerry is reported to have complained bitterly at the change.


31 posted on 09/05/2004 8:04:20 AM PDT by ConservativeVoice
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To: Mike Fieschko

Thanks, that is great, and very interesting.


32 posted on 09/05/2004 8:07:15 AM PDT by Delphinium
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To: Tacis
I don't see where Kerry violated any part of the "Selective Service" act, as Carter's plan was an amnesty program offered to draft dodgers that illegally ran to Canada and other places to avoid the draft.

Kerry violated much more serious laws when he met secretly with the North Vietnamese while he was still on active reserve duty status. He should be hung or shot for treason to the United States.

33 posted on 09/05/2004 8:08:24 AM PDT by TommyDale
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To: tioga
I believe he did do many bad things, not only unbecoming an officer, but in fact aiding and abetting the enemy.

But, as regards:

He might have gone for the pardon to prevent this from occurring

I do not believe he could have gotten any kind of pardon under Carter's pardon. Those pardons were for violations of the Army Selective Service Act...Kerry's crimes had nothing to do with that.

34 posted on 09/05/2004 8:10:37 AM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: SLB

Thanks for the ping, SLB. Hammer on the head of a nail, alright!


35 posted on 09/05/2004 8:11:17 AM PDT by 7.62 x 51mm (• Veni • Vidi • Vino • Visa • "I came, I saw, I drank wine, I shopped")
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To: stockpirate
But if he was an informer he could tell everyone now and get the Swifties off of his case. He could tell them he did it for them. He wouldn't even have to go public and alienate his base he could go to them in private and if he showed them proof, I think they'd let it go.

The Purple Hearts and the medals are just annoyances to them but the anti-war activity hurt them.

36 posted on 09/05/2004 8:11:45 AM PDT by tiki
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To: Tacis
Very intriguing thesis, Tacis. This week, Mr. Kerry, speaking to the Boston Globe, said "If you wind up being less than what you're pretending to be, there is a major confrontation with value, self-esteem and your sense of how others view you." Do I see some major incoming confrontation and declining self-esteem on his part?
37 posted on 09/05/2004 8:12:04 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Mike Fieschko
Kerry signed up for a six-year obligation in 1966. He should've been discharged in 1972.

It seems as if he was discharged in 1978.

Why the additional six years?

Based only on what's seen here, it looks like he signed up for another six years. Probably in the Active Reserve, which he promptly ignored. He came from a prominent blueblood family. He may not have a desertion behind him (as they accuse W of having), but he may have had to get his service record "touched up" for those missing years, which is why they're off-limits to us.

It also means he was still a commissioned officer while he was hob-nobbing with the North Vietnamese.

38 posted on 09/05/2004 8:13:37 AM PDT by 300winmag (FR's Hobbit Hole supports America's troops)
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To: Mike Fieschko

Yes, indeed. Why the additional six years?


39 posted on 09/05/2004 8:13:55 AM PDT by hershey
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To: sirchtruth
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We're going to find out because from what I read the Pentagon is going to investigate.

That'll take years . . .

Check out the John F. Kerry Timeline. Email it to your friends.
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40 posted on 09/05/2004 8:14:26 AM PDT by christie (http://www.hillaryforpresident-2008.com -- NOT!)
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