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Okay, so I'm a selfish hedonist for supporting Alan Keyes for U.S. Senate
Vanity | Sept 2, 2004 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 09/02/2004 1:57:29 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

Okay, so I'm a Selfish Hedonist for supporting Alan Keyes for U.S. Senate

Nothing (well almost nothing) would please me more than seeing Alan Keyes win a seat in the U.S. Senate!

Why?

And despite his remarks on reparations or affirmative action, I would be extremely happy and take great pleasure in seeing Alan Keyes defeat Barack Obama. I believe whole heartedly that unlike Obama, Senator Keyes would preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America to the utmost of his ability and would dedicate himself to working with all of us in securing the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, and if that makes me a selfish hedonist, then so be it.



I challenge anyone here to put up a detailed list of the reasons why you believe Barack Obama would be better for America in the Senate than Alan Keyes.


TOPICS: US: Illinois; Your Opinion/Questions
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To: Dave S

"When you speak of "useful idiots" you do mean Keyes, right?"

I'm talking about people who joins in unison with the left in attacking a fellow Republican. I'll leave it to you to figure out who they are.


61 posted on 09/02/2004 2:25:32 PM PDT by Truthsearcher
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To: Jim Robinson

Amen!

OBAMA MUST BE DEFEATED.


62 posted on 09/02/2004 2:27:29 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: Jim Robinson
You signed up today just to post - oh, wait, you've been here awhile.

You're probably still a troll. I'll be keeping my eye on you, Mr. Man. ;)
63 posted on 09/02/2004 2:28:52 PM PDT by Xenalyte (Gimme a dollar.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Okay, so I'm a selfish hedonist for supporting Alan Keyes for U.S. Senate

I thought for a second that this was going to be a Camille Paglia piece.
64 posted on 09/02/2004 2:28:59 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: Jim Robinson
"Okay, so I'm a selfish hedonist "

I always suspected you were Cheney's daughter. I mean like no one's ever seen the two of you in the same room.

65 posted on 09/02/2004 2:31:00 PM PDT by bayourod (You're either for President Bush or against him. There is no "but...")
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To: PeterFinn
I've heard a rumor that Keyes is supporting slavery reparations

Elimination of income taxes for "former slaves." BTW, he considers us ALL tax-slaves.....

66 posted on 09/02/2004 2:33:08 PM PDT by Onelifetogive (* Sarcasm tag ALWAYS required. For some FReepers, sarcasm can NEVER be obvious enough.)
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To: GovernmentShrinker

It would never be better in the long run to have Obama elected. We need every pro-life, pro-gun, pro-America, pro-conservative judge vote we can get in the Senate. Reparations will never come up for vote. The other much more important issues do every session.


67 posted on 09/02/2004 2:34:00 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Taliesan
"...Keyes is the dumbest politician to ever walk the face of the earth and thus will never win an election."

I don't believe he is dumb, but he does surround himself with less than capable people. He could also learn to tone it down some, which might help. However, I agree with most every thing the man says and believes.

68 posted on 09/02/2004 2:34:40 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (www.opgratitude.com)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
Since I'm not in Illinois, I'm happy to say that I'm not faced with actually having to make a choice here.

I am and it's not a hard choice for me.

Do I want a hard core socialist baby killer or do I want a conservative who believes in our constitution. - Not a hard choice at all.

70 posted on 09/02/2004 2:35:29 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Graybeard - Illinois resident - Keyes voter)
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To: MJY1288

I would love to see him on the Senate floor making speeches.


71 posted on 09/02/2004 2:38:27 PM PDT by wallcrawlr
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

"I think Daschle and Boxer are gone, and Keyes has a chance"

Man, I wish this were true...but I gotta say, I think this is an insane prediction. These 3 victories would be sort of like a repeat of 1994....I would love it if someone out there could tell me how wrong I am but I don't think Keyes, Jones or Thune will win. Though Thune has a beter shot than the other two.


72 posted on 09/02/2004 2:40:53 PM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: Graybeard58

Now that's the way I see it. Let's see Obama ve Keyes? Boxer vs Keyes? Hillary vs Keyes? Kennedy vs Keyes? Daschle vs Keyes? Harkin vs Keyes? Choice is simple. This ain't exactly rocket science.


73 posted on 09/02/2004 2:41:18 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson

You one THAT debate with one shot! Nice work!


74 posted on 09/02/2004 2:41:42 PM PDT by TOUGH STOUGH (Go George go!)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
I really don't understand the view that an extreme conservative like Keyes makes less extreme conservatives look more extreme.

It's not a reasonable proposition at all(though that wouldn't keep the media from trying).

He obviously would make them look more moderate by comparison.

Moving the conservative definition further creates more "moderates"- by definition.

75 posted on 09/02/2004 2:41:49 PM PDT by mrsmith ("Oyez, oyez! All rise for the Honorable Chief Justice... Hillary Rodham Clinton ")
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To: Jim Robinson
Forgive my reporting this, but people are continuing to help build it...

Why WE must support Alan Keyes:

1) Barack Obama has been annointed by the media and the Democrats as a "future star" in the Democrat party.
2) Keyes OPPOSES income taxes for ALL Americans.
3) The national GOP will be watching to see if party activists and voters will support a "unabashed pro-life candidate."
4) If Alan Keyes does better than expected, we will get more Conservative, Pro-Life, Pro-Constitution candidates in the future.
5) If Alan Keyes does worse than expected, we will get more pro-choice, "liberal" Arlen Specter-type candidates.
6) Obama voted to defend "live-birth abortion" (Allowing babies born alive during botched abortions to die from lack of care.) Hillary and Ted Kennedy wouldn't even vote for this. If this is not a winning issue, the GOP can take "pro-life" off the table as an issue.
7) The national media will be waiting for the opportunity to claim that Republicans are racist and will not vote for a black man.
8) The media knocked Jack Ryan out of the race. A bigger victory for Obama over Keyes than would have happened versus Ryan will reward them and encourage more of the same against other GOP candidates. An improved showing in IL by the GOP will punish the media for trashing Ryan. If Ryan was your man, avenge him by supporting Keyes.
9) Supporting Keyes in IL will help Bush win IL.
10) It will indicate that the GOP is made up of people who can intelligently debate ideas (slavery, reparations, tax cuts, freedom) and support someone who makes an attempt to debate ideas. If Keyes is shunned for being willing to debate ideas, we will only be rewarded with more bland, packaged candidated who spout platitudes.
11) Obama or Keyes? Who do you want voting on the next several Supreme Court nominees?
12) Everything you don't like about Keyes, you'll get more of from Obama. One of these two men WILL be the next Senator from Illinois.
13) At stake is not only a much-needed U.S. Senate seat but the future ability of the Republican Party to attract and keep black candidates and voters. That is unlikely to happen if black candidates simply get sent out on suicide missions. --Thanks to Thomas Sowell...
14) Many people have stated that they will support Keyes "once he reaches a certain percentage in the polls." Your vote may be worth several if it convinces other people that the GOP can win this race.
15) As Kerry implodes (officially began 2 weeks ago), this race will become more competitive.
16) Once Obama gets into a Senate seat, it will be VERY difficult to get him out. Incumbency rules!

76 posted on 09/02/2004 2:43:39 PM PDT by Onelifetogive (* Sarcasm tag ALWAYS required. For some FReepers, sarcasm can NEVER be obvious enough.)
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To: Jim Robinson
I don't think many Freepers have been saying that Obama would be a better Senator than Keyes. What some of us have been saying is that Keyes is a terrible candidate, to the point that he is Obama's greatest ally in this race.

What would you prefer: a moderate Republican who defeats Obama, or a true conservative who sends Obama to the Senate with the greatest margin of victory in modern electoral history?

77 posted on 09/02/2004 2:44:37 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Lurking Libertarian

He IS the candidate.


78 posted on 09/02/2004 2:47:49 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Onelifetogive
4) If Alan Keyes does better than expected, we will get more Conservative, Pro-Life, Pro-Constitution candidates in the future. 5) If Alan Keyes does worse than expected, we will get more pro-choice, "liberal" Arlen Specter-type candidates.

All the more reason for conservatives to be upset with Keyes for running a campaign of amateurish clumsiness.

79 posted on 09/02/2004 2:47:57 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Lurking Libertarian

(this is not a primary)


80 posted on 09/02/2004 2:48:12 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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